What Effect Coming Ice Age on North of 30th Parallel Boating?

Whoaa, Nelly. Engineer is a great job almost totally isolated from the other departments. Most engineers are pullin in $100,000+, work half the time and are left alone almost entirely. Engineers can find every excuse under the sun to make overtime and nap on regular time at company expense. I'm not saying they are all bad, nor union members, as a whole, but the opportunity is certainly there and the system can be corrupted.

 

name one human organization that can't be corrupted?

they are like laws, you pass one and when someone figure out how to game it you change it

it's a never ending process

 

So, either address the questions put forth by me on the thread or close it.

 

I believe I have it
CO2 via AGW will clearly heat the planet. A secondary effect is likely coming down the pike- the stream will slow or stop (see Boston's thread), at that point the increased snow cover over EU is going to wreck havoc with the earths albedo & drive us into a cooling stage. As the ocean cools the out gassing of CO2 is going to slow further dropping the planets temps.
Here comes the ice age.... and a good time to start thinking about how we are going to go boating during it (good thread Hoyt- right in the nick of time..)

 

Ice Age follows warm period.

Even if we assume for the sake of this discussion(hypothetically) that the Ice Age is the result of AGW we still have the Ice Age to deal with.
So, what do we do with the now fridgid environment brought on by whatever.
Do we now re-draw the shipping lanes to take advantage of new currents? Do we map ice bergs on maritime notifications?
Will there be an increase in "Perfect Storms"?
Do boatbuilding materials become even more rare?
Are harbours more overcrowded with previously temperate-zone refugees?
What are your visions of the future regardless of how we got there?

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/vinson/ice.html
From PBS Nova the coastlines of 20,000 years ago during the height of the ice-age. As you can see the trailer-trek would be a lot further in some places.:

 

urban renewal

 

At least Miami-PB would still be waterfront property and New Orleans could quit worrying about sinking for awhile. Gulf drilling will be a lot easier.

 

Chesapeake Bay would be a probably fertile valley suitable for farming.

 

I might be able to find that sweet 1953 Johnson outboard I dropped in the bay 20 years ago..

 

Maybe so.
http://jesse.usra.edu/articles/iceagemodule/iceagemodule-paper.html

"Future Change?


Ocean currents are among the Earth's most important means of heat transport, and any change in their pattern can have an immediate impact on climate. If the North Atlantic Current shifted to the west it would increase precipitation in the Baffin Bay area between Greenland and North America. This could tip the climate balance in favor of a new ice advance. The effect of this current migration on the climate of northern Europe would be of far more immediate concern. Without the warming from the North Atlantic Current, the climate of northern Europe would dramatically cool. Consider the impact of such a change on world population and politics. The implications are immense and unlike the slow buildup of a glacial advance, the effects would take place very quickly."

 

You're blowing smoke, Mark. Beck pulled that number out of his arse and you know it... I make more than an auto worker does, and last year my entire benefit package, including health insurance and pension, only cost my company $13,021.

Also, a thirty percent card check to schedule an election is like ten percent of voters signing a petition to qualify an initiative or referendum for the ballot. It still takes a majority vote to win the election.

edit: correction, our pension fund hasn't cost the company anything for years; it's properly invested, and self-sustaining. So that $13,021 compensation package includes everything but retirement benefits.

 

While there may be a cooling event somewhere of in the distance so far all indicators are for increased warming in parallel with increased CO2. The fear is for one of two things to happen, runaway warming greater than the predicted 5~6°C by the end of the century which would pretty much be a game changer for life on earth or a runaway natural climate correction driven by Rapid Global Climate Shift. Actually both are considered Rapid Global Climate Shift its just the later is very complex and the former is staring us in the face.

happy thoughts
B

 

Okay, Troy. We know how we feel about it. You are right in that there's no point in carrying on. We should, however, be aware that there are always going to be opposing viewpoints. History will tell about... maybe not all of this, but about Beck, one way or the other, he will be regarded as "important". I mean, YOU brought him up. If the farthest left camp in the spectrum has him on mind, I think we can agree he is important.

 

You know I keep think about this train heading towards the end of the line. Catastrphic damage and death is ineviatable if nothing is done.

The engine is still running and everyone is talking about will it hurt when it hits the end of the rail.

Would not normal rational human beings try to stop the engine or apply some brakes.

Or a dirty ole cardboard box full of cockroaches heading up a conveyor belt to a crushing machine.

Or a ----

We evoluted from death and survival --some how I dont see the destruction of our planet helping evolution that much.