Moth on Foils: 35.9 knots(41.29 mph)

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  1. Doug Lord
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    Moth on Foils-The Wing

    Bora Gulari on his new wing(from Dinghy Anarchy) :

    Posted Yesterday, 01:53 PM

    If there are no Bruises is it really abuse?

    Here is a little tidbit the wing is significantly quicker to rig and de rig, The process goes like this, gently rest the wing on the racks(C class guys would say we throw it on), hook up the hounds and get your mate to line up the mast step as you throw it up).

    When bear and I have been sailing I am always done and in dry clothes before him. Another positive is that the boat is much more stable in the dolly in gusty shifting winds. The wing weather vanes much better than a full battened sail ever could. Never before would i ever walk away from a righted moth with the sail up but with the wing no issue. Basically all the misconceptions are just that. It is easy to move around on a simple trailer, It is very durable just ask adam, It is easier to sail(fewer controls), It puts less stress on the boat as there is no massive vang or sheet loads.

    Did I mention how cool it is? Even in detroit all of the "locals" stop and look and ask questions.

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    Moth on Foils--"widebody" Moth?

    Sam Schneider, who for a couple years has been developing the "SR71 Trapfoiler", has announced that he is ending that project(perhaps temporarily) in favor of developing a Moth:

    http://sr-71monofoilerproject.blogspot.com/


    New project name:
    FoilWRX Moth Concept

    from his blog above:

    "There are some development opportunities I have for the moth that are just more interesting to me than bumping around in the dark with this thing for the foreseeable future."
     
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    Doug, the race you referred to is 29nm, sailed in 2h7min odd. The maths thell me that`s at an average speed of 14,5knots.
    Was this a dinghy only event ?
    The Mosquito catamaran (16ft and seriously underpowered) does 12knots upwind and 17,5knots downwind in 15-18knots TWS. On average that would be 14,75knots.
    For reference, the Mosquito is rated 13% slower than a F18.

    Or is it just that time spent upside-down on a moth is not really fast ?;)
     
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    Moth on Foils!----HCW 2010 race

    The info is quoted from a HCW "One Lap Dash" race report by a major sailing site. You might want to read it again,this time with feeling. The Moth beat all mono and multihulls:

     
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    Why so defensive? It was clear as day that he was only kidding around.
     
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    Oh, its ok Chris.....
     
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    For the Heaven Can Wait race One Lap Dash, the fact that a moth can crash multiple times and still win looks pretty good.

    On the other hand, he did mention that he "got a good puff out of Belmont Bay and broke away". If someone is the only one that is in a position to catch good wind that all others miss this can be a huge plus. I rember winning a race by huge margin as a kid when just about every one and every boat on the water was probably better. When racing around an island, sailor skill and/or luck can mean more than having the fastest ride.

    Again, combining a moth, a long distanc race, numerous swims, and a victory is a real achievement for the sailor. I am just not so sure what it says about his boat.
     
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    Doug, you completely missed my humour - to average 14,5knots including 11 capsizes means he must have been averaging 20+ knots when not upside-down. I don`t know the conditions it was sailed in, or too much about the moth, but I`d guess it was strong winds or someone of his ability would not capsize so much ? Or is the moth that difficult to stay upright on..
    Still, I`d have to believe a well-sailed Tornado, F18 or F16 would easily average more than 14,5 knots boatspeed, with fewer capsizes, unless the wind was well over 25knots, or less than 15.
     
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    Looking back at previously archived posts, one could easily come to the conclusion that Doug likes to selectively isolate results to argue his preferred points. This event is no departure from that direction.
     
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    Moth on Foils!----Radio Moth

    Second hour of the interview up now.......
     
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    Moth on Foils!----Worlds

    Well, there is a new competitor listed for the Worlds-see #31:

    http://www.mothworlds.org/belmont/competitors/entries/

    But is it true?
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    No, it is horse manure started by certain juvenile members of the Moth Class. I don't have a Moth-and I wouldn't have one. I'm not going to the worlds.
    Moths represent the begining of a revolution in sailboat design and the fastest sailboat under 20'. But foiler design is headed for foilers that are easy to sail , that are stable on and off foils, that don't cost $275 a pound and that don't have to be walked out to deep water because they don't have retractable foils or are too unstable to use retractable foils. The Moth has led the way in terms of performance but along the way has created "foiler" myths about beach launching ,stability ect. New kinds of multifoilers, new applications of foils like DSS and full flying monofoilers designed specifically to be easy to sail, easy to transport, affordable, stable and a blast to sail are the future.
    Sorry that some were taken in by the juvenile stunt about the worlds-I will, however, be at the first world championship of the Peoples Foiler!
     
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    It'll be true the day you lose 75 pounds, come up with the cash to get to Australia, then buy a Moth.... and most of all, learn how to sail it at any level, much less that which would qualify you to be on the beach with those guys.
     
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    its not 27, 30 and 40 knots, its 55kts plus!!!! A moth on foils is sailing but kiting is not...what! Kitesailors are discriminated against because they are faster.......simple!!!
     

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