What Do We Think About Climate Change

I didn't know the White House has a portcullis. I believe there is one at Buckingham, maybe.

 

it does and it would be perfect

 

Yo Jimmy

how about another study showing the life span of co2 in the atmosphere just in case you missed the last few I posted

here's the PDF to the entire article including a few pages of referenced articles and citations. Point being that there are countless recent studies concerning this issue none of which claim a life span of 5~10 years for any substantial portion of the anthropogenic co2

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=13&ved=0CBMQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgeosci.uchicago.edu%2F~archer%2Freprints%2Farcher.2009.ann_rev_tail.pdf&rct=j&q=atmospheric+longevity+of+co2&ei=HGW_S5PYNIaJnQetjfSXCg&usg=AFQjCNEoXXkSrhx6royQrk3w-lwF_Qm_Mw&sig2=farExDWD9r1gtPFej9eYKQ

 

Liar!

I've posted them TWICE to this thread, the references to all 50+ along with names, dates and results. Want to see them again , master of ********?

Jimbo

 

Quoting from the text you posted above:

"The models agree that 20–35% of the CO2 remains in the atmosphere after equilibration with the ocean (2–20 centuries). Neutralization by CaCO3 draws the airborne fraction down further on timescales of 3 to 7 kyr. "

So again, your 'evidence' is the output of computer models, **NOT** the result of an actual CO2 residence time measurement study.

And you wonder why I think you're a *****

Jimbo

 

This fall dump 'em all. Not violent.

 

Well working as a part time bouncer I can assure you that a little violence goes a long way sometimes. Some folks are under the impression that they are invincible, oh its a wake up call for some let me tell you.

these politicians and all there rhetoric remind me of the bluff and bluster you get out of some once you got em outside and you turn em loose. They get some distance and start mouthing off. Take one step towards them and watch em run. Same thing with politicians Im sure its just they been getting away with it a lot longer.

I say we need a good old fashioned revolution and fast violence included
might just keep em in line for a few years after if we're lucky

then it will be time to do it again

now thats change you can believe in

 

Please delete your last post, Boston. I can't afford to visit you on weekends.

 

Below is a list of the 35 studies that actually measured the CO2 residence time expressed as half life with their results summarized:

(Study Author(s), Date, Residence Time in Years)


Based on natural carbon:

Craig, 1957, 7 +/-3
Revelle & Seuss, 1957, 7
Arnold & Anderson, 1957, 10
Craig, 1958, 7 +/-5
Bolin & Eriksson, 1957, 5
Broeker, 1963, 8
Craig, 1963, 5-15
Keeling, 1973, 7
Broeker, 1974, 9.2
Oeschger, et al., 1975, 6-9
Keeling, 1970, 7.53
Peng, et al., 1979, 7.6 (5.5-9.4)
Siegenthaler, 1980, 7.5
Lal & Seuss, 1983, 3-25
Siegenthaler, 1983, 7.9-10.6
Kratz, et al., 1983, 6.7
Siegenthaler, 1989, 4-9

Based on the Seuss Effect:

Ferguson, 1958, 2 (1-8 )
Bacastow & Keeling, 1973, 6.3-7


Based on (atomic bomb) C14:

Bien & Seuss, 1967, >10
Munnich & Roether, 1967, 5.4
Nydal, 1968, 5-10
Young & Fairhall, 1968, 4-6
Rafter & O’Brian, 1970, 12
Machta, 1972, 2
Broeker, et al., 1980, 6.2-8.8
Stuiver, 1980, 6.8
Quay & Stuiver, 1980, 7.5
Delibrias, 1980, 6.0
Druffel & Seuss, 1983, 12.5
Siegenthaler, 1983, 6.99-7.54

Based on Radon-222:

Broeker & Peng, 1974, 8
Peng, et al., 1979, 7.8-13.2
Peng, et al., 1983, 8.4


Based on Solubility Data:

Murray, 1992, 5.4


Based on C13/C12 Mass Balance:

Segalstad, 1992, 5.4



I've shown you mine, now show us yours. Computer model output does not count , just in case you need another reminder.

Jimbo

 

and pretty much all of that has been shown to be wrong by modern research and measurement techniques
you got anything from say the last twenty or so years or is stone age studies based on a rudimentary knowledge of co2 in the atmosphere really the best you have to present to the group

and now for a Jimism

"prove it"

you said that I hadn't answered your question for 2 years and that it somehow was this mythical nail in the climate change coffin

but your wrong again Jim

yes I would love you to present your data (again ?)

you have direct measurement studies of co2 12 13 14 isotopes you would like to present
go for it

thing is the latest research says one thing and your 50 and 60 year old studies are simply old hat. Might behoove you to get with the times there mate cause its a new world with lots of new information and measurement techniques.

cheers
B

oh and

ouch
my delicate ears
there is a great book that you might think of trying
its called "Everything I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten"

check out a fraction of the information in support of that last paper I presented Jim
and wow
its not all from 30~50 years ago but instead represent not only some of the earliest research but also and in most cased the latest research as well

your once again presenting on small group of studies all surrounding the same presumed misconception and acting as if its the only information out there concerning this subject
its not
and once again the majority of the work suggests a very long life span of co2 in the atmosphere

care to try another tact cause that one didn't work out so well for you

cheers
B

 

Once I posted about the disappearing of the polar bear as a proof of climate change but Guillermo thought it was not scientific, It was just a felling so it was not a proof.

So I change my mind, they can drawn to hell I don't care, the entire North Pole is meting, I don't care, the South Pole do the same, I don't care, the hurricane season is longer and longer, I don't care, they start to have palm tree in Switzerland, I don't care, the Sahara advance several miles per year, I don't care.

What climate change?

Daniel

 

Actually dskira, the Antarctic ice cap is growing.

 

wrong
models predicted that the increase in atmospheric moisture content due to melting ice would result in the micro-climate at the center of the ice sheet experiencing more snow than usual. Yes the center of the ice sheet is thickening but thats only becuase of the rapid melting at the edges. One must remember that the antarctic continent is huge and literally creates its own micro climate in its vast central area

we busted this myth ages ago

 

Well, I'm no bouncer, and I didn't develop my political viewpoints based on the theory and practice of bouncing. And the only bouncer I've ever personally dealt with sucker-punched me, while I had my wallet in one hand and was looking down counting money out of it with the other. Maybe that's why my viewpoint is a little different: I'd say even a little violence right now would be a damn sight too much.

Check out the list of people who've tried to solve this country's political problems with a little violence, just in our lifetimes. You come up with gems like Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh, John Hinckley Jr., The Weathermen, the Symbionese Liberation Army, and the like.

I don't much like people who believe their guns or their bombs should outvote their neighbors' ballots.

 

Ages ago the vikings farmed in Greenland and vineyards populated southern Britain. Both of those places are now too cold to do either. AGW my foot(so the foo bird won't attack).