Old Quarter Tonners -Magic Bus

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  1. CT 249
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    Psyko was the 'next step on' from the Robber designer (Stahle?) but a complete failure. I seem to recall that she was either lapped, or withdrew from being lapped. She had something like 12' beam on 24'-ish LOA, tiny foils and twin steering wheels, I think. The design was more like a fat Robber than like Warlord which had hollow concave topsides.
     
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    Harold sailed a modified Manzanita called 'Little Apple" or something, leading him to say (after the second mast dropped) that the tree kept on falling out of the Apple!

    Helmer was very Scandanavian and an early mate and skipper of a certain Mr P Elvstrom. He won the Tokyo FD gold medal.

    Seaflyer was sailed by Hugh Treharne (Australia II etc), John "Steamer" Stanley and a couple of others whose name I cannot recall. She was designed by Whiting very much as a light wind boat, and won the only light-wind race by something like five minutes. She ended up third overall.

    Re fractional rigs - the Manzanitas were all fractionals, but the spreader design meant continual mast failures. I think they all dropped their sticks in race 1.

    Other fractionals included (IIRC) the top Japanese boats, the Stephen Jones 'Wings" from the UK, Shiny Shovel (Dubois) from Hong Kong, etc, Paradise and other Petersons, etc.

    I was only a kid so I only know this stuff from mags, although as a 15 year old I got to crawl over Seaflyer before she went overseas. The boat came back and continued to do well under the IOR and JOGA rules for years. I don't know where she is now.
     
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    Salkbj, Gary B, CT249 et al!
    Past winners of QT:

    http://www.quartertonclass.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Itemid=45

    There is a french site that shows the entire results lists as well: http://www.histoiredeshalfs.com/Quarter%20Tonner/Quarter%20R%E9sultats.htm

    Gary B, I will take a look at old mags from -74 regarding Psycho. Probably a Peter Ståhle or Håkan Lindkvist design. Håkan Lindkvist later joined the Peter Norlin office. Assuming that I not find the mags I read when i was 14 years old, I will contact Ståhle and/or Lindkvist.

    CT249, yes Pedersen is of cousre Danish. Back in -79 at the QT in Italy I tried to talk to him in both swedish and english. But he was so focused on his Neil Pryde sails (obviously Hi Flyer was sponsored by Neil Pryde that it was impossible. regarding the QT in Japan. Harold "Mast Rake" Cudmore sailed obviously on of the unlucky Manznitas.

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    Yes, I'm aware of those sources! The problem is that they are not complete.
    My hope was on you having the COMPLETE results from San Remo.
     
  5. Paul B

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    Complete entries/results/details from any year would be nice to see.
     
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    Hi Booster,
    I was young but really loved Norlin's boats as my father risked seriously to buy a Scampi (later he bought an Impensable - HT Mauric).... so I remember Butterfly as a very interesting boat: heavy, centerboard, moderate freebord... and I'd like to know something more and some pictures too, if it is possible. Butterfly was really the last "old school good performer" and Norlin was a specialist.
     
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    Tuscany

    If I remember correctly, the Quarter Tonner was Tuscany. She was a widely modified small cruising boat (originally not so fast, indeed) cutted and made very light by Vasco Donnini (a tuscan artisan)... she was fast in light light wind. Then the same boat was longitudinally cutted in the middle, enlarged, made longer and renamed Tuscany Ganza.... she finished 10° at Trieste Half Ton Cup (1976). More: she had a gas bombe (with lead) as bulb and the co-owner was (with Donnini) Patrizio Bertelli (do you remember Luna Rossa, Prada....?). These news come from my memory so could be something not exactly precise, of course.
     
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    QT Butterfly

    I read that Booster sails Butterfly.... the 1977 Norlin's centerboarder QT.... I always was curious about that boat and I'd like to know something more about her including some pictures... When I designed my first boat (a QT, indeed) I deeply studied her measurement form but it happened many years ago......
     
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    Nastro Azzurro

    In the 80, probably the boat you speak was NASTRO AZZURRO. She was a Berret Half Tonner built by Herve in cold moulded wood, very fast (I think she was third at Half Ton Cup) and, fitted with a bowsprit and helmed by Paolette Briand finished third (this time I'm sure) at Three Quarter Ton Cup in Trieste (won by Botta Dritta - Fontana Maletto Navone design). Several crew members were (and are) friend of mine.
    Ah, they made e new "dog house" to accomplish Three Quarter Ton room inside.

     
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    Norlin's Kauni Scampi?

    Hi,
    I'm new of this site but really love the nostalgic and experimental era of IOR (I mean '70 and mid '80).... Could this boat be the Kauni Scampi"? I mean, the QT version of Norlin' famous HT? I'm not sure if Kauni is correctly written but I remember (I was 14 years old) Norlin's QT so called.... They didn't have the same performances of Scampi, indeed.


     
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    She is nice! Could she be a Humpreys (as Quest)?


     
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    salkbj and Paul B!
    Regarding complete results I will check with the other Swedish sailors competing in San Remo -79.
    Regards,
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    Timoniere!
    Nice to hear from an Italian. Lill-Scampi (Little-Scampi) QT version of Scampi, some developments included a lighter version with inboarder perhaps clled Kauni, I don't remember.
    Regards,
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    Timoniere!
    The Norlin centerboarder QT Butterfly was similar in concept as the Chance Jr designs Resolute Salmon and True North.Fuller in the bow, however, but with same broaching tendencies downwind.
    Regards,
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    Timoniere!
    I will try to digitalize some photos of QT Butterfly. Regarding the attachment 33677 it was found to be a Bergström-Ridder design Raven a HT. Regarding attachment 36424 my brother Carl figured it out to be a QT Tony Castro design. My brother contacted the owner. The boat is for sale.
    Regards,
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