Global economic situation for liveaboard cruising yachties

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  1. mark775

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    "Maybe some do"? ...Without the "maybe"!
     
  2. hoytedow
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    The Germans knew they lost on the Eastern Front when they saw the NEW American Made tanks coming over the hill. Without Usanian capitalism they would have had their asses handed to them by the Germans.
    This is not to diminish the heroism of the Russians and Yugoslavs, who fought like demons to protect their homelands, as any patriots, even us American Gusanos would do.
     
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  4. mark775

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    He actually said this?

    Originally Posted by masrapido

    Well, you couldn't because the truth of the WWII is that it was won by Russians and Yugoslavs. "western" allies were just a sidekicks.


    I guess I missed yet another important post of El Doradito...
     
  5. Boston

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    hey I was just checking the weather up there for today Mark
    ketchikan is a nice 50 deg while Im freazing my *** off at 22 down here

    not to get in the middle of a perfectly good fight but I think it was GM that built the largest tank factory in the world in Russia during WW2
    and thats just one of em
    I think its still pounding out tanks today

    not that I have much sympathy mind you for to many policies of the USA
    but defeating the Nazi's is one I think we could all get behind
    even the code talkers
     
  6. masalai
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    http://www.gata.org/node/7892 "Maybe Dec. 21, 2012, is really the day the Fed gets audited"
    http://www.gata.org/node/7891 "Adam Hamilton: Commitment of traders reports don't fully tell the tale"
    ...""" - - Adam Hamilton, publisher of the ZEAL Intelligence letter, argues in commentary published Friday that the commitment of traders reports for gold trading on the U.S. commodity exchanges do not determine price direction as much as the constant analysis of them suggests.
    - - Record commercial short positions in gold, Hamilton writes, often have failed to precede declines in price. Hamilton also suspects that the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which publishes the commitment of traders data, is not terribly accurate in defining commercial shorts.
    - - Further, quite apart from Hamilton's commentary, one does not need to be wearing one's tinfoil hat to wonder if the big market players counted by the CFTC as commercial shorts on the U.S. exchanges might be hedging their positions there with unreported purchases elsewhere. Gold trading around the world is far from transparent.
    - - After all, if, say, JPMorganChase, as agent for the Federal Reserve, had been instructed to start covering and to beat a retreat to a higher surreptitious ceiling for the gold price, the Fed and the company well might want to avoid creating a public record of it early enough that long traders could take advantage of it and take possession of cheap gold. And in this new era of infinite money and pervasive government secrecy, how much credence should be attached to the records and reports of U.S. government agencies anyway? From the detailed plan of currency and gold market manipulation written by the Federal Reserve in April 1961 and still posted on the Internet site of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis (see http://www.gata.org/node/7096 ), we know that the U.S. government has at least contemplated the falsification of currency and gold market records for 50 years.
    - - Hamilton's commentary is headlined "Gold Futures CoT 3" and you can find it at the ZEAL Intelligence Internet site here: """... http://www.zealllc.com/2009/goldcot3.htm
     
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    Corrupt behaviour by individuals may result in jail sentences and other penalties for individuals found guilty of fraud and associated charges but for government to behave in that fashion is despicable and usually escapes any punishment... A day for reckoning in the case of the latter point may not be far away...
     
  8. masrapido
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    And I'm sure that usanian patriots would defend their homeland if it were invaded, but in WWII usa was not fighting off invaders in Normandy. Rather, it was simply helping Brits and French, with clearly made intent to send the bill for the costs of involvement.

    The point is that the landing in Normandy is trumpeted out loud and relentlessly every year in the usa and Europe, as if it were the turning point in the war. The fact is it was not even the major event compared with what was going on on the russian front.

    France was held in peace by 100 000 german soldiers. Greece had only about 20 000. Yugoslavs had about a million.

    Some perspective to the fallacities of "western" (led by usanians) propaganda about the war must be held. The turning point in WWII were sieges of Stalingrad and Leningrad. The winter and resistance from russians were the breaking point for the germans.

    If we keep in mind that 2.5 million of germans returned from russia, and the number of those who died there is nearing a million, the "success" of the D-day is minuscule.

    Compare also the number of killed germans in Yugoslavia with the killed number of germans in France, and you'll get the idea of efficiency of those "heroes".

    One an keep trumpeting to their heart's content, but the facts are ruthless.

    The D day was nothing more than a sloppy and ill conceived offensive that only had a happy ending because german army was already demoralised and in disarray due to enormous losses and failure in Russia and Yugoslavia.

    Yet capitalist propaganda made the D day appear as the "battle of all battles" that won the war...And that nazist-style propaganda (keep repeating a lie until it becomes the truth) prevailed to this day when we have yet ANOTHER devastating crisis of a system that never could, a disaster in a country built on lies and, ironically and sarcastically, french fries, and a politically correct, but inept president of a country that is the root of all evil today in the world, who was even given a Nobel Peace Prize for NOTHING...

    Pure panic among the stupid rightwingers. There's nothing left for capitalists but to hope everything will be okay...

    Just as the D day, and many other stupid "tactical" decisions of usanian and british generals in WWII, and WWI mind you, the brute force strategy simply doesn't work. If it did, we wouldn't be witnessing all these economical meltdowns every 5 years in average.

    Meltdowns of a system sold as "the best"...

    Go gold...
     
  9. Boston

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    hoyte
    what NEW american made tanks ?
    if our referring to the Sherman
    it was the laughing stock of tanks for as long as it was used
    nearly certain death for its crews in any tank battle against any tank the Germans had
    on top they were hands down the least reliable tank mechanically of the war
    did I mention paper thin armor and a propensity to burst into flames
    or the genius who thought they could float and subsequently drowned every crew that tried to make an amphibious landing in one

    I got WW2 down pretty well and old Masrapido has basically nailed D day for he debacle it was

    and he didn't mention things like the gliders which mostly killed the guys that were in em
    or the paratroopers who landed completely randomly
    which actually helped spread confusion among the Germans as much as anything else did

    the Russians built there own tanks using the GM plant that the USA gave them
    Sherman's froze to easily and wouldnt go through the Russian mud
    in that sense USA helped but it was Russian blood that did the majority of bleeding

    we spent longer in Iraq than in WW2 and lost more guys in Vietnam

    its a simple fact that while the USA played key role in arming the allied powers or at least some of em
    the only truly decisive battle we engaged in was the battle of the bulge
    and were loosing that one when the Germans ran out of fuel

    the D day landings were a mess from the word go
    hardly what could be called a well executed plan

    Rapido is right about the numbers of casualties as well
    a glance will tell you who did the majority of the fighting
     
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    The point about the NEW was that USA was pumping out war materiel at an increasing pace while Axis factories were being decimated. You are right, the Sherman was no match against the Tiger, but by then it was all the Axis could do to keep petrol in theirs, meaning Shermans could support infantry and keep advancing. Russian victory in the east was dependant upon American supply lines, so don't act like we did nothing. Men in my family were there, came back with hard won decorations that were not given out like lollipops. My uncle and his combat team put the first Bailey bridge across the Rheine River. This effort kept many Germans from being on the eastern front, which itself aided the Russians and Yugoslavs who otherwise would have had to face a lot more Germans.
     
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  11. Boston

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    ah
    I misunderstood you
    my bad
     
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    And, oh yeah. We Americans, or usanians as you like to call us, didn't throw our captives into slave labor camps to die there, and we did help the vanquished rise up out of the ashes of war, while the Russians threw an iron curtain around them and looted them of whatever thing of value they might have had that survived the warfare. I don't care if you believe me or not. Your not believing me doesn't make it any less true.
     
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    ANd now that Obama has broken the back of American capitalism, you sorry people who have had your hands inside our wallets for all these decades will just have to see if Mother Russia will be willing to be your new Sugardaddy.
     
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    By "decisive" I take it you believe that if won the Germans would have succeeded in stopping the Allied advance Boston?
    I think by this time the Germans were doomed. Allied air superiority and the weight of arms brought to bear had made the outcome certain.

    A Chilean attacking the US contribution towards defeating the Axis?

    Odd...

    Sat on your hands was it? Good job- the world thanks you.
     
  15. mark775

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    Hear, hear! My hat is off to Chile.
     

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