Wharram Tiki wrecked in Thailand

Discussion in 'Multihulls' started by sloopjb, Aug 30, 2009.

  1. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    Malaysia my second home is useless. First it is very expensive to apply and only certain lawers can do so , they seem to be located in Kuala Lumpur.

    You need more than Thailand in the bank and you cant spend it --it has to be fixed. It gives you 10 years of stay, why you would want to I dont know. Malaysia is a dirty place. You can import your car or any vehicle tax free.

    I am very skeptical about dragging a family with you!!!!, ive not heard that, but then Im not ever going to live in Malaysia when Thailand is just next door. I only stay in Malaysia because my boat is there,---there is no other reason. It is Islamic and has islamic laws.

    A teacher was seen drinking beer in public just before Ramadan about 6 weeks ago . She was sentenced to be flogged for this heinous crime.

    Give me the Buddhist any day.
     
  2. boat fan
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    I suppose they would think $ A 27K would go a long way if you live like a local Thai. So , Frosty why don`t you move your boat :D ? Have we hijacked this thread ?:(
     
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    I don't know why you would want citizenship in either.

    When I get in the water and up there I planned on doing the Thai thing and when time was up do a slow trip to Sabah and back to Thailand figuring that would meet requirements without any cash outlay.

    I personally much prefer Malaysia, those Thai touts and Tuk Tuk Mafia drove me insane and I couldn't wait to get back to the piece and quiet of Penang;)
    I am neither Muslim or a teacher so shall be unaffected by these rules, but am not foolish enough to thumb my nose at the laws in a small part of the country that is less moderate than others.
     
  4. Frosty

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    If you sail to Thailand you will need to temporary import it, as does aircraft , heavy machinery ,tower cranes etc etc.

    This gives you 6 months extend able to 1 year, you MUST then leave or face a hefty fine and tax. So every year regardless of weather you need to chug off down to Langkawi just over the border --stamp in and out and return to Thailand where the whole joke starts again --sigh.

    Marinas In phuket are just about full,--well --too full to be able to negotiate.

    You can register the boat in Thailand when you will be able to leave it there. You still can not charter without a work permit, infact if the boat is Thai registered you will now need a work permit to drive it in Thai waters. You will also need all the certification of a Thai reg vessel that you would be exempt from if you were foreign, radio certificates etc.


    Langkawi is duty free, fuel is cheaper, beer is cheap cheap and the island is not Islamic radical. It has an international airport and is tourist destination, it is actually called Langkawi geopark, it has lovely beaches and hundreds of restaurants.

    But --you can leave your boat there forever and ever and when you return you still own it and it has not been commandeered by some General.

    It is much better that the smokey **** hole George town of Pinang. I can not afford to drink ---anything in Pinang. I only go there for the occasional medical complaint or check up. it is 69 miles south of Langkawi and I can get there by ferry and a bus from Kedah in 3 hours.
     
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    Have you any info on this you can steer me towards?

    I thought they were cracking down on that

    Final Crackdown on back to back tourist visa's


    Forget that

    Plan was to loosely base myself here and stooge between the 3 duty free Malaysian ports and back.

    I certainly wouldn't base myself here, but I do like Penangs history and have a few favorite eating places on the beach at the southern end and in GT.
    I'll have cheap piss from Langkawi when I arrive for a week or 3 on the way to Singapore and Sabah;)

    At the end of the day, we like Malaysia and have no issue.....yet. We liked Thailand as well, but as stated, the touts where something else, but at least you can run away to the boat.
     
  6. Frosty

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    Touts are every where!!!!, is it a problem to say I don't want anything?

    They pressure you? Oh dear thats terrible, better stay at home then.

    There is no such thing as an intimidator only the intimidated.

    There is nothing misunderstood on your link , if your not 50 years old things are different , I explained this.

    3 duty free ports??? Langkawi --Labuan and ????
     
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    I agree, touts are everywhere, but the greatest concentration of them I have ever experienced are in Thailand.

    Yes, I can say no, but I shouldn't have too at the very second I step on the footpath and for every step after that.

    I prefer to base myself in a land where the touts are almost non existent, why do you seem so offended at this concept?

    OK, I am not 50 and wont be when I get up there. I am still interested in the temporary import info you suggest I will need as a visitor.

    I may be mistaken but I think Johor has a duty free area not far from Danga Bay
    This site also suggests some more, including Langkawi, Labuan and Tioman islands

    http://www.etourz.com/malaysia/duty_free_zones.htm
     
  8. Frosty

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    YES sorry Tioman is duty free. Touts annoy me because they don't,-- but seem to annoy everyone else.

    It is simply a matter of looking like you know what you are doing, I realy dont get any trouble. As far as saying that touts are more in Thailand than anywhere else is,---well? have you been to Spain , very aggresive time share touts.

    Speak Thai, "I don't want anything" and they will be gone in a second. They congregate around you because you look unsure and don't know where to go or what to do, thats the only reason.

    I assume your speaking of the taxi maffia at the airport? The police have recently made many arrests here and it should improve.
     
  9. sabahcat
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    Touts annoy me because they are touts.
    If I want to buy something I will buy it.
    Having it jammed in my face makes me walk away and not buy at all, Thailand missed out on a lot of my spending money due to this simple fact.

    In my next upcoming 7 week Asian adventure, Thailand misses out on ALL of my money, for that very reason.

    Malaysia gets 5 weeks of it.

    I disagree.
    Even when I knew exactly where I was going and knew exactly where I was going they were on me like stink on ****.

    I believe it is that I am not Thai and Thailand relies heavily on foreign dollars, and the foreigners are/were few and far between when I was there a few months ago.

    That is not what I said, what I said was
    As I have not been everywhere in the world, It is obvious that there can be more aggressive touts somewhere in the world. The point I made, which is clear in earlier posts, is that in Malaysia, where we went, the touts where non existent.

    I live near the Gold Coast, we have very aggressive time share touts as well, but I never had them continually approach me on scooters asking if "I can speak English" and then try and sucker me to another address in the free taxi on standby to try and flog a unit or a holiday to me with some ******** story of free goodies if I come along. Been there done that.

    On a recent Thai trip this happened at least 20 times a day, every approaching scooter made me cringe, until we rented our own car so as not to have to be harassed by them.
    We also got to avoid the continual Massage, suit, belt, Tshirt, tour touts as well by driving ourselves.
    Until the next one comes along.
    Saying no firmly in English and continuing to walk worked as well, but, the point is I may as well just say it continually.
    The novelty wore off after saying it 10 times before we had even had breakfast.

    Thats ********, I am very sure of myself, I new exactly where I was , where I was going and what I was doing at all times

    I purchased a ticket for Airport Limo totaly ignoring the taxi touts there. I talk more of the Tuk Tuk drivers who continually hound walkers with tuk tuk taxi as one walks past.

    If I wanted one I would get one wouldnt I, I wouldnt be walking. Whenever asked about the price they wanted to charge as much for a 500metre ride as the 40 klm trip from the airport, so guess what? They got to wait for the next sucker.

    Me being apparently
    hired a newish car for approx 800-1000thb a day and drove myself

    So you now admit that there is a problem:rolleyes:


    Like I said if Thailand is your bag, great for you but don't get so pissed off if it is not for everyone.

    I will visit again, on the whole, I like the place and the people.
    Not all of them viewed me as a walking cash machine.
    But, I will always be on guard while there and have an escape to somewhere less "in my face" planned.

    Now, how about that Wharram Tiki wrecked in Thailand ?
     
  10. Frosty

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    What can I say? in the 20 years ive lived here only once did a guy ask me to play a scratch game and he was English. I bet him 100baht that I would win and he would then jump up and down and tell me I had won . We would then go off somewhere quiet where he would try to sell me something> He left faster than he arrived.
    The touts I have experienced are at the airport only-- only.

    Yes the Taxis toot at you but they dont stop and talk. they are telling you by tooting they are there.

    I know what I know and after 20 years Ive never heard such stories, Im sorry you have had such a hard time but I think you are grossly exaggerating them especially when you say Malaysia has none.

    You don't get rickshaw touts at Pinang ferry terminal? or taxi touts at Kuala Lumpur bus station? You can not walk down Chulia street in Pinang without an Indian wanting to sell you iether a taxi ride, rickshaw, Thai visa service, or a bus ticket to where ever you want to go.

    I don't think you have been, I think these are stories of someone else.

    You've been there a few weeks,-- I came here to live in 89. I cant remember how many times Ive bussed across Malaysia to Tioman and Johore.

    Im sorry but your talking crap. I cant help you, you have a distorted view on things.
     
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    So you have never walked past big groups of red tuk tuks at Patong or Pattaya and have them all ask the same question?
    And then again 5 minutes later when you walk past again?

    If I said no to the first one in the group you would think the rest in line would figure don't want one as well.

    The same with shops. You have never walked down a street and had almost every shop try and get you in the door for a massage, suit, shirt, tout, etc etc?

    Can you truthfully answer no to this question?

    Of course you do, but not with the same zeal and certainly not with the same outrageously inflated "Tourist" prices and I've never had the "I'll just stop in to a mates shop so they can try and flog you some stuff" on the way to a destination, and if you say no to the stop, well the price for the fare just became more expensive.

    Really?

    I'm sure you can recognise the stamps being from the region

    Good for you
    Your experience has been different to mine, isnt it great that we can all view things differently.

    Just talking from my admittedly limited experience and the comments from others I know who have been as well.

    Like I said, I will go back, but I prefer Malaysia where I am not viewed as a walking ATM to withdraw and overcharge at will and yes, I have been overcharged in Malaysia, but only small amounts and certainly not to the same extent.

    One only has to look at expat forums like Teak Door to see that my observations are shared by many

    Oh, and you forgot to end your comments with a cheezy grin and "Stupid Farang":p
     

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  12. Frosty

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    You said there was no touts in Malaysia, do I have to cut and paste it? Now you admit there are but not as naughty.

    There are no red tuk tuk taxis in Pattaya,,--------NONE. Listen to me!!! not one. Theres some used for advertisements. The taxis system is different from Bangkok. So your are lying when you walk past tuk tuks asking you if you want a tuk tuk in Pattaya.

    Patong is an area of Phuket and they dont use tuk tuks iether ,--I think you mean Patpong off Suriwong Rd and is a real tourist area.

    Your an excitable sort of person and im sure easily encouraged into exaggeration. Your experiences are that of a tourist and no different than any other destination,- you need to get about more. Try India,--dare you.
     
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    ********

    Have a look here

    Walk around and tell me how many hundreds of tuk tuks you see

    http://www.mapjack.com/?WgiwT8NsWciC

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    I think it's you that needs to get out more frosty

    Get out into the heat and melt off some of that chilly demeanor. :p
     
  14. boat fan
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    Hey guys .....I think your`e a wee bit off topic......:D
     

  15. Frosty

    Frosty Previous Member

    You call those tuk tuks, Oh I see ha ha ha


    Well Ok then.--- A tuk tuk is really the 3 wheeler variety of Bangkok.

    http://www.thailandtuktuk.net/


    Show me the pics of "tuks tuks" in Pattaya that you say you walk past , or even a songtaow (your 4 wheel tuk tuk).

    Just tell me the street, area outside what where? there is none.

    Ive just asked my Thai wife what a tuk tuk is, she said its a 3 wheel taxi. Do you think she is wrong?

    Those little trucks of 4 wheels is a "songtaow" or to a tourist that knows FA,---it is a "baht bus" I guess the word tuk tuk would cover it.


    I suppose when you go to a bar your just shout "beer" or "food"

    Farang papabobo.

    Enjoy your trip, your took a lot of photos of a place you did'nt like very much!!

    Maybe if you used the right words you might not get touted, ha ha.

    Do you wear shorts with white trainers and have white legs covered in mosquito bites and a ball cap on with the nib up and a camera round you neck and a Tshirt--- "I love Thailand" Oh and zinc cream splattered on your nose?

    ha ha you cant see it but on the back of that shirt it says

    "Tourist
    please tout me"

    You cant see it but its there.


    Off topic? how? Thailand!!!
     
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