Global Warming? are humans to blame?

Added to my post while you posted. Even the compact fluorescent bulbs are finally getting better and I bought a number of them. I have halogen spotlights and incandescent bulbs in pot lights and lamps that give a warmer more intense light and look better in those fixtures. The first compact fluorescent lightbulb someone gave me a pack. It was marked "equivalent to 60 watt bulb". It was so dim it was laughable. Now they've improved greatly and I use them for 50% of my lights. They save me money and time there. I see that as a new opportunity seized to engineer a better product. An inferior product with a green label doesn't cut it.

 

Assuming you are correct, and I don't, you simply can not stop the world. It's a pipedream.
Instead, look for ways to reduce the EFFECT of warming. More clouds for more albedo.
If you are worried about flooding coastlines, start evacuating now. Not in a panic. Just encourage people to settle further inland when relocating.

Grow more plants. The space shuttle used carbon filter CO2 scrubbers. Encourage somebody to make an exhaust pipe CO2 scrubber.

Lots of POSITIVE things can be thought up, instead of reverting to horse and carriage.
Mass ground transit is more friendly than private vehicles. We used to have good public transportation in the US in the 50s and earlier. Rebuild the infrastructure.
Think POSITIVE! Proactive! Not regressive.

 

Sorry, I give you kudos for using green equipment, though if you re-read the below you get some sense for why I got the sense that you were thinking along the same lines that I was referring to concerning negativity about using energy efficiently!

 

OK, I'll bite. How do you convince people to do something positive (including using less carbon) without acceptance that there's a problem?

 

Okay. As you probably guessed by now, I think the theory CO2 drives climate is fatally flawed.
Yet I have voluntarily reduced my carbon footprint to the minimum. Wife and I just returned from 2 hour stroll that included dining, shopping, and her having nails done. Total approx 1 KLiK out and 1 back.
My boat is also electric and sail. Our house and the other matching rented units, are energy efficient. Total 4 townhouses. And, I'm involved in a clean energy experiment.
WHY?
Two reasons. I MIGHT be in error about CO2 drives climate. A first time for everything!
And. I don't want somebody perhaps telling me I HAVE to reduce. I can retort as soon as THEY have reduced more than me!

People are more intelligent than you may think!
But if you suggest draconian measures and talk about HAVE to? You'll find americans are true to their heritage. A nation of REBELS!


Convince them by appealing to intellect, and humility they MIGHT be in error. And show the POSITIVE benefits of any project. Also, explaining positive projects avoids the need for restrictions! But, you have to let them voluntary comply. Threatening force or laws, gets their back up!

 

You didn't answer the question (except to say do nothing). You stated: "Lots of POSITIVE things can be thought up, instead of reverting to horse and carriage. Mass ground transit is more friendly than private vehicles. We used to have good public transportation in the US in the 50s and earlier. Rebuild the infrastructure. Think POSITIVE! Proactive! Not regressive." - which seems to imply you think these suggestions are in themselves a solution, but they are NOT.

Americans consume more energy than anyone else and that looks like not letting up in any substantive way. Are you good with that? Sounds like it.

I live aboard a boat with the usual energy-efficiencies to be expected, but just that individual decision isn't changing anything. It's all very well to promote the John Wayne lifestyle, but doesn't solve the overall problem - but in your case, it's clear from all your writing that you don't believe there is any problem at all so it's no surprise you don't propose any solution.

So you proposed "Be positive, don't worry, be happy" and didn't rise to the challenge of how to promote and effect any general change.

No surprise.

 

China is the largest producer of CO2, though americans may produce most per capiita.
China will not diminish CO2, they'll increase. Still industrializing. Other countries such as India and in africa will increase CO2 output. While many americans WILL voluntarily reduce, perhaps 30 to 50 % won't.
Do you see Al Gore reducing HIS carbon footprint?
People won't take it serious when the preachers live high on the hog.
My point is, you can't stop CO2 untill you offer an equal or better option energy.
But, you can sell folks on projects that have multiple benefits, like the water plants I suggested.
You will never be sucessfull at jamming your ideals down american throats.
America is not predicated on the common good, but individual freedom.
It's not a feel good be happy scenario. It's what you have a chance to achieve, and what has no chance in hell!
I offered the water idea, and I'm working on an energy idea. What are YOU offering to help?

 

5 July 2011

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14002264

 

Global warming threatens China's advance
January 18, 2012

http://www.smh.com.au/business/worl...-threatens-chinas-advance-20120118-1q5x1.html

 

Game Over for the Climate
James Hansen, Mr. Fear-Monger, in high dudgeon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/opinion/game-over-for-the-climate.html

Though he's not the only one.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-have-stopped-downplaying-the-climate-threat/

But all is not lost:

‘Hug the Monster’ for Realistic Hope in Global Warming (or How to Transform Your Fearful Inner Climate)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technol...-how-to-transform-your-fearful-inner-climate/

 

Yeehaw!

 

Post #3684
yikes, what a load of twaddle all that was.

stalling rise in temps ? Anyone actually check the temp records before they wrote that op ed piece ?







I did particularly like the cherrypicking though 98 to 08 eh, and did they even remotely consider any of the other years in there anywhere

talk about transparent BS yikes, the trully frightening part is, they're actually fooling some portion of the people with that tripe. I think P T Barnum put it best, how did that go again. Oh yah, One born every minute.

sometimes the drivel the deniers will believe in just has to be seen to be believed.

yes coal does throw a lot of soot, Yes it has some cooling effect, but the horrendous amounts of CO2 it pounds out make up for it in the long run. Note in the previous graphs that the temp is mimicking the CO2 trend regardless of any wild claims otherwise.

 

I think you will find Singaporeans are the most power hungry consumers on the planet due to our airconditioned country...and where do you think nouveau riche Asia is heading
The global temp is going up coz of all the heat loss in the AC!

 

I'm surprised at you, Boston. You usually show a bit more sense. It wasn't deniers who wrote that op-ed, it was true-blue alarmists. Maybe you've been dipping into the Smilies Box a bit too often.

Clearly, the temperatures did flatten out in the "naughties", as they did from 1945-1970s. Look at the charts you posted. Don't you find it reassuring (in an un-reassuring sort of manner) that those flattenings can be accounted for, and global warming is still on track?

 

For those wishing to lift their eyes to more heavenly thoughts, try and spot the moon over the next few DAYS. It's a beautiful fine crescent, nearing the sun. Easy enough to see, but hard to spot. Those in the western US and northern Pacific basin will be able to see a fairly rare annular eclipse on Sunday, May 20. I'm jealous.