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We know a conversation has run its course now that we are debating America's Cup rule changes from the 1950s...

I love the mind-excercise of trying to beat a design rule. But I can't get excited about trying to beat an imaginary, arbitrary rule. Especially when two of the design criteria are to look boring, and be cheap. Can't we focus on an existing rule, and dream of ways to beat it without worrying...

PHRF does allow custom boats: "A Custom or One-Off Boat or a Boat that has been substantially modified is reviewed as initially presented on a case-by-case basis, and handicapped “as Sailed” based on observed performance and other parametric data. It is documented to include configuration...

So you want to create a class of less-racy, normal-cruiser type boats? But you don't want them to be one-design? You want to be able to tinker with the design of normal looking boats to try to win the race? Also, you want to keep things affordable... How is the answer not "PHRF"? Instead of...

If you are interested in a development class, single-handed, with water ballast, have you checked out the Mini 6.5, aka the Mini 650, aka the Mini TransAt? Classe Mini https://www.classemini.com/?langue=en

We are discussing at least 3 very different budgets: 1. America's Cup budgets 2. "Reasonable sailing budget" (whatever that is) 3. Hardware store budget Used boats are cheaper than building new boats. So if budget is really a concern, we shouldn't even be talking about building new class of...

It seems like we are kicking around several ideas here. With so many sailboats, it is hard to get a new class off the ground. All sailing classes end up being a combination of the following things (let me know what I missed): 1. A sailing competition. One-design boats, theoretically. 1B. A...

If I could find a used 26ft wood sharpie, I might be interested. I would check w the race organizers whether it would be considered a vintage design. If they don't accept it as vintage, then it wouldn't be allowed. Hard chines aren't allowed on the modern Spirit of Tradition boats. If I'm...

The race is handicapped by the Classic Rating Formula (CRF): About CRF - Classic Yacht Owners Association https://www.classicyachts.org/ratings/aboutcrf/ I've already gone down that rabbit hole, and decided that if I ever build a boat for this race with a clean slate, it will be a gaff schooner...

Nice idea to index the price limit to some sort of constantly-adjusted global standard. The answer to your criteria is this: (assuming you can talk the down from $20k to $18k) 1989 Wiggers Custom Yachts Andrews 30 MORC Custom sailboat for sale in New York...

John, thanks for considering my challenging search. It's true that 26' is quite long for a centerboard sailboat. Righting after a capsize would be a handful. If I were designing with a clean sheet for these requirements I would prefer a swing keel (weighted centerboard, NOT a canting keel)...

What is the right tool for evaluating dinghy relative performance? SA/Righting-Moment (which considers crew weight, crew position, and center of buoyancy at optimal heel angle)? We are far enough off topic, that we could be starting a new discussion thread. Maybe there are already several on...

Building new boats is never as cheap as buying used boats. If you want cheap racing, in seaworthy boats, buy a used boat. Race One-Design, or PHRF. If you really want to invent a whole new class of boat, start with the class goals, not measurements. Is your goal to have a class of affordable...

Great point about the righting moment of the crew. Beam of the boat. Crew on the rail vs hiking with straps vs trapeze, vs trapeze on wings makes a huge difference where the crew's weight is. The other variable is the hull shape. The center of buoyancy doesn't shift off the centerline much...

Glad to hear E-Scows are stable at mooring. Hinge-up stern sounds like the way to go.

Thanks for the vote of confidence! I wouldn't be the only planing boat in the race, but I might be the only vintage (pre-1950) planing boat in the race. Several of the Spirit of Tradition designs plane off the wind in a decent breeze. I'm afraid I might try chopping the stern off an E Scow...

If my search had an easy solution we wouldn't be on the 5th page of forum posts! I know I am looking for a unicorn. If there's really no vintage planing wood centerboarder between the length of a Raven (24'), and an E Scow (28'), (which both fit the bill, except for their lengths), then this...

Thanks for the creativity. "Honey, it was too hard to find one boat to do everything for our family... So I bought two!" If I had a place to store a 28ft E Scow on a trailer, and only use it for race day, then get any old fiberglass daysailer for the rest of the season, that would solve a lot...

Hacking up a classic was not my first inclination. I'm still hoping someone can point me towards a boat that meets my requirements. Note: "winning" the race is not one of my requirements. 26'0" is the minimum length to enter the Opera House Cup race, and it is the maximum length for a mooring...

I can tell you're jumping through a lot of the same mental hoops that I have, to get to this point! I'm just trying to avoid building a new custom wooden boat... If I end up doing that, then I will start with a clean slate, instead of a Raven mold. Unless I could convince race organizers that...