Need help for bonding options

[rum2001uk]

I have bought plans from Hartley designs, a Sportsman 24 but I need help to find other bonding options as the West System is to expensive for my wallet.
I have found another type of bonding agent Called Bison max timber tix and max timber liquid. www.bison.net
I know by the jobs that have been done at my ship repairs workplace that the carpenters had made several coffer dams using bison and has proved to be a great bonding and gap filling product straight from a tube like that of a silicon tube eliminating mixing.
It activated by moisture and is also sea water resistant and is so much cheaper.
or do you know of any other types which are not to expensive.

[Dutch Peter]

I've been looking at the tech data of the glues, here's my comments:

- product is weather, seawater resistant, I'd want it saying "proof"!!!
- the tech sheet itself gives an other adhesive for: {quote}For applications that are subject to larger constant loads/pressure, employ Bison Timber Adhesive Super.{unquote}.
- when looking at those tech data, you'll see it's essentially an epoxy, might be cheaper, I'd put more faith in that than in the Timber Liquid!

- A test for marine glues is the "boil-test", essentially an aging test. That way you can get a rough idea of weather the glue is suitable for a marine environment.
When testing on load, after boiling, the wood must brake and the glue must hold!

There are a lot more manufacturers of epoxies, there must be something cheaper than West System. Wessex, SP, Duroplastic, Poly-Pox, etc.

[wade]

Hi,
I went down to a boat repairer with my plans and pictures and a lot of dumb questions. After a couple of hours of picking their brains they offered to sell me all my resins and glues at their prices. I kept my mouth shut and listened to them and in the end they made my boat possible because of the savings. Wade

[Dutch Peter]

Great, atleast you're working with good stuff now!
But read up on working with epoxies, they can cause allergical reactions after working with it for a while!

[rum2001uk]

Thanks Dutch Peter,
I had a phonecall from bison's H/Q in Nederlands and gave me some good advice on types of bondings and advised on using Bison Timber Adhesive Super but no-one sell it here in the Shetland Isles so I will seek a supplier on UK Mainland for prices and also look into other epoxies you mentioned below.
thanks again

Originally Posted by Dutch Peter

I've been looking at the tech data of the glues, here's my comments:

- product is weather, seawater resistant, I'd want it saying "proof"!!!
- the tech sheet itself gives an other adhesive for: {quote}For applications that are subject to larger constant loads/pressure, employ Bison Timber Adhesive Super.{unquote}.
- when looking at those tech data, you'll see it's essentially an epoxy, might be cheaper, I'd put more faith in that than in the Timber Liquid!

- A test for marine glues is the "boil-test", essentially an aging test. That way you can get a rough idea of weather the glue is suitable for a marine environment.
When testing on load, after boiling, the wood must brake and the glue must hold!

There are a lot more manufacturers of epoxies, there must be something cheaper than West System. Wessex, SP, Duroplastic, Poly-Pox, etc.

[rum2001uk]

Hi
What type of epoxies and glues did they sell you?

Originally Posted by wade

Hi,
I went down to a boat repairer with my plans and pictures and a lot of dumb questions. After a couple of hours of picking their brains they offered to sell me all my resins and glues at their prices. I kept my mouth shut and listened to them and in the end they made my boat possible because of the savings. Wade

[pungolee]

Scrimp on the toilet fixture(bucket and bag),burghee and pole,bed frame and teak trim.25 foot boat?Do not scrimp on the adhesives,primers,fasteners and trailer tires.You want something that will take the seas,the choppy inlets,the quick blow,the weight of motor fuel supplies and people.Get a second job and buy the good stuff,buy the best stuff you can,or you will be redoing it in a few,cussing the whole time.Get a first class hull,everything else will take care of itself.You take a mess out and she will take up on ya!

[rum2001uk]

Ehhhh!
I'm confused
What is the good stuff?
if you are referring to the west system I know you are right but in the UK west is so expensive £26.00 for a 1Kg pack that is about $46.79 US.
I need to find a cheaper option
but i'm still baffled by your mail as i have most of what i need but WEST SYSTEM is out of the question.

Originally Posted by pungolee

Scrimp on the toilet fixture(bucket and bag),burghee and pole,bed frame and teak trim.25 foot boat?Do not scrimp on the adhesives,primers,fasteners and trailer tires.You want something that will take the seas,the choppy inlets,the quick blow,the weight of motor fuel supplies and people.Get a second job and buy the good stuff,buy the best stuff you can,or you will be redoing it in a few,cussing the whole time.Get a first class hull,everything else will take care of itself.You take a mess out and she will take up on ya!