Boat Design Forums  |  Boat Design Directory  |  Boat Design Gallery  |  Boat Design Book Store  |  Thanks to Our Site Sponsors

Go Back   Boat Design Forums > Construction > Boatbuilding > Wooden Boat Building and Restoration
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-14-2007, 01:28 PM
ROUGE ROUGE is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 6
Location: maine
Glue/epoxy advice.

I was wondering if anyone had any good suggestions for an epoxy that would be strong enough for laminating frames, but could cure at really low temps. I'm in the middle of a Maine winter, here, and my project doesn't have 24hr heating that most epoxy products would require. One person I've talked to suggested GL-10. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-14-2007, 02:06 PM
gonzo's Avatar
gonzo gonzo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Rep: 1493 Posts: 7,447
Location: Milwaukee, WI
If you are laminating oak, epoxy is a bad choice. Otherwise, any of the major brands wil do.
__________________
Gonzo
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-15-2007, 04:05 AM
ROUGE ROUGE is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 6
Location: maine
Thanks, I guess I'll be going with the GL 10, then. I see you're from Millwaukee, do you happen to know a three masted schooner called Dennis Sullivan?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-16-2007, 05:23 AM
PAR's Avatar
PAR PAR is offline
Yacht Designer & Builder
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Rep: 3125 Posts: 9,403
Location: Eustis, FL
GL-10 is a epoxy, that is pre mixed with fillers to provide a slightly thickened, creamy goo for joint assembly.

Resorcinol and one of the modified aliphatic resins are typical choices for laminating most of the oaks.

Much depends on the wood type, the environment the laminations will live and the need for particular adhesive qualities.

What are you laminating? Where will it live? Can you provide sufficient clamping pressure? Temperature range during cure process? Etc., etc., etc. . .
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-16-2007, 08:44 AM
ROUGE ROUGE is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 6
Location: maine
Well, I'm actually spliceing a 2x2 steam bent oak frame- cutting off the bad portion and replacing it with new wood. The replacement piece is right at the turn of the bilge and will have to be well steamed and clamped as it is. The epoxy (or, it sounds like resorcinol is better) is just for where the two join together. I'm doing the work in Maine outdoors but under a plastic shelter, so I was thinking that I could only use a low temp curing epoxy.

However, a friend of mine suggested putting some sort of little box around the joint and leaving a high powered light on inside to keep it in the cure temp range for any glue or epoxy.

And the last answer: the frame is for my boat, so it'll be living in Salt water.
Thanks for your help.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-16-2007, 12:48 PM
PAR's Avatar
PAR PAR is offline
Yacht Designer & Builder
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Rep: 3125 Posts: 9,403
Location: Eustis, FL
Yep, you'll need to control environmental conditions for both adhesives, though epoxy is likely to fail in that application. Insure the mating surfaces are very well matched as resorcinol doesn't have gap filling properties.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-16-2007, 08:42 PM
EStaggs EStaggs is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Rep: 99 Posts: 100
Location: Spokane, Wa
One solution I use here in Spokane, Wa (just a little south of BC) is IR heat.

The infrared heaters heat the surface and material im working on, without heating the air outside the work area. In a situation like that, a little tarping (in a fire-conscious way) and an IR heater will give you good results regardless of the glue. Try not to overheat any of the parts.

E
__________________
Come see the blog! http://www.stagboatworks.com
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-17-2007, 11:33 AM
gonzo's Avatar
gonzo gonzo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Rep: 1493 Posts: 7,447
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Rouge: I am very familiar with the Dennis Sullivan. I was one of the instructors at the small boat shop attached to the project.
__________________
Gonzo
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-30-2007, 08:50 AM
ROUGE ROUGE is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Rep: 10 Posts: 6
Location: maine
Well that's pretty sweet. I was the chief mate between florida and Milwaukee after the rescue that cost them a plank. Are you still involved with the organization?
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
epoxy primer sprayed on green epoxy laminate? bntii Boatbuilding 12 10-16-2006 06:41 AM
advice on epoxy and polyester craigathome Fiberglass and Composite Boat Building 2 02-20-2006 10:04 PM
Gorilla Glue vs 2 part epoxy bjl_sailor Wooden Boat Building and Restoration 14 12-04-2004 03:28 PM
Stich and Glue Phosphor Wooden Boat Building and Restoration 12 04-26-2004 07:04 AM
What glue jesseh Boatbuilding 3 09-21-2003 01:08 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:58 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Web Site Design and Content Copyright ©1999 - 2012 Boat Design Net