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Old 07-31-2008, 08:46 PM
ancient kayaker ancient kayaker is offline
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I use brass screws a lot in canoes and kayaks but only for freshwater. They are weak so I just put steel screws in first then replace them with brass.

Works for me.
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:52 PM
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Well I suppose we could debate the alloys from now on but I do have white brass ports on my 13 metre Rasmussen. This boat has a history of many ocean going trips and there is no corrosion nor pitting in the unfinished white brass. The boat came out of the same boatyard that built the Bismark.
Now, I DO predrill and countersink for brass. That gives me about 3/16 of hard enamel with urethane on the heads. And doing this, you will never strip one out. I do use phillips headed screws.
At this point it just appears that like everything else, everyone has a preference based upon their own experience.
As my dad used to say, "Wouldnt the earth be a dull place if everyone was just alike?"
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Sam
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:59 AM
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As I understand the corrosion process an electrolytic cell is formed between two dissimilar metals connected by an electrolytic solution such as sea water. In the absence of a dissimilar metal (as in my otherwise all-wood canoes) or a connection through an electrolyte (e.g., above waterline components such as ports) this presumably does not happen so only other, slower corrosion processes apply.

Is this more or less correct?

If so then brass is OK for some boat-related applications but not others. I (think that I) learned a lot from this thread.
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:16 PM
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kayaker;

Hit the nail on the head there or the screw as the case is!!!
Very good!
I do some projects which require specific metals and alloys so I am somewhat familiar with these processes. My Rasmussen is a steel hull and the original teak was applied with steel screws. The screws outlasted the teak!! Over
60 years of serious ocean going exposure.
I would reinterate my choice is for brass (In wood boatbuilding) is primarily due to the sanding problems. As I stated, I refuse to use wood filler on top of the countersunk screws. So in getting everything faired for paints, hitting a screw with the sander is just no problem and by about the third coat of a good urethane enamel all the phillips heads dissappear and are forever sealed in the paint.
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