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04-24-2012, 11:30 AM
 mtht110 T. Hoque Join Date: Jun 2011 Rep: 10 Posts: 12 Location: Bangladesh
Fishing trawler problem

I have to calculate the capacity of fish hold for fishing trawler. Any one can tell me what is the density of fish. I calculate the volume but what is density of fish?
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04-24-2012, 12:32 PM
 Tad Boat Designer Join Date: Mar 2002 Rep: 2281 Posts: 2,273 Location: Flattop Islands
Density depends on the stowage method and fish species.....See STAB 4 appendix A of this document for some stowage factors......

http://www.tc.gc.ca/publications/EN/...HR/TP7301E.pdf
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04-24-2012, 12:57 PM
 mtht110 T. Hoque Join Date: Jun 2011 Rep: 10 Posts: 12 Location: Bangladesh
Thank you bro
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#4
04-24-2012, 06:02 PM
 tunnels Previous Member
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 Originally Posted by mtht110 I have to calculate the capacity of fish hold for fishing trawler. Any one can tell me what is the density of fish. I calculate the volume but what is density of fish?
Use the fish scale !!!!
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04-24-2012, 08:32 PM
 mtht110 T. Hoque Join Date: Jun 2011 Rep: 10 Posts: 12 Location: Bangladesh
I'm very confused. So which density I've to use for my Fish hold capacity calculation. After calculation I've to approve this calculation from Classification Society. I here is no chance to mistake.
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04-25-2012, 09:52 AM
 Tad Boat Designer Join Date: Mar 2002 Rep: 2281 Posts: 2,273 Location: Flattop Islands
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 Originally Posted by mtht110 I'm very confused. So which density I've to use for my Fish hold capacity calculation. After calculation I've to approve this calculation from Classification Society. I here is no chance to mistake.
What is the fish species? How are they stored in the hold? Is the the hold one large open space or individual tanks and is there any structure obstructing storage?

From the list in the link above........

Whole fresh Herring in bulk - 932 kg/m3
Whole Gutted fresh Cod in bulk - 793 kg/m3
Whole gutted fresh Cod in layered ice - 224 kg/m3
Frozen fillets in large blocks - 881-961 kg/m3
Frozen fillets in consumer pack - 400 kg/m3
#7
04-25-2012, 05:13 PM
 TANSL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Rep: 300 Posts: 3,946 Location: Spain
You usually have fisheries in boxes 450x300x120 (or similar) with 15-18 kg each. Calculate the number of boxes that reasonably fit in the hold, discounting corridors, etc., and follows the load on it.
When fish is stored semi-alive in tanks the total weight is largely unchanged from the tanks filled with water.
Bring the fish in bulk in the hold will deteriorate dramatically fish and, therefore, in my opinion, you should rule out this possibility

Last edited by TANSL : 04-27-2012 at 10:50 AM.
#8
04-30-2012, 11:36 PM
 rappitysnap Join Date: Apr 2012 Rep: 10 Posts: 2 Location: florida
I dont know if this helps but. I run a small operation 30' boat with a max of around 4000 pounds and when i build fish holds or boxes for mackerel, mullet, snapper. I figured for every 55 gallons of volume i can hold roughly hold 400lbs in a slush. if you calculate your volume and convert it to gallons you can get it pretty close
#9
04-30-2012, 11:48 PM
 Submarine Tom Previous Member
Quote:
 Originally Posted by mtht110 I have to calculate the capacity of fish hold for fishing trawler. Any one can tell me what is the density of fish. I calculate the volume but what is density of fish?
Fish have a swim-bladder they squeeze to compress the air within allowing them negative buoyancy.
Fish have slightly negative buoyancy.
Call it 1.05
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05-01-2012, 04:02 AM
 TANSL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Rep: 300 Posts: 3,946 Location: Spain
Quote:
 Originally Posted by Submarine Tom Fish have a swim-bladder they squeeze to compress the air within allowing them negative buoyancy. Fish have slightly negative buoyancy. Call it 1.05
We've all seen pictures of dead fish floating on the water surface. This suggests that a dead fish has positive buoyancy. ?????
The ease with which a live fish moves in water suggests that its apparent weight is very similar to the volume of water displaced. And it achieves this, in fact, thanks to its swin-bladder. (Buoyancy = 0)
#11
05-01-2012, 06:13 AM
 hoytedow Wood Butcher Join Date: Sep 2009 Rep: 2489 Posts: 5,312 Location: North of Cuba
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#12
05-01-2012, 10:32 AM
 midnitmike Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Rep: 167 Posts: 257 Location: Haines and Juneau
Quote:
 Originally Posted by mtht110 I have to calculate the capacity of fish hold for fishing trawler. Any one can tell me what is the density of fish. I calculate the volume but what is density of fish?
Whenever I calculate fish hold capacity I've always used the density of sea water as my standard. This eliminates the need of knowing specific fish species, or how it's stored (dry, dry ice, slush ice, RSW, or blast frozen). The calculations are greatly simplified yet surprisingly accurate given the number variables one could involve.

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#13
05-01-2012, 10:42 AM
 Submarine Tom Previous Member
Quote:
 Originally Posted by mtht110 I have to calculate the capacity of fish hold for fishing trawler. Any one can tell me what is the density of fish. I calculate the volume but what is density of fish?
Good post Hoyt!

TANSL,

The question is "what is the density of a fish".

The density of water is about 1.0 at 4 degrees celcius.

Dead fish float because they gas up from rotting inside.

The OP may want to consider the space between the fish went transporting, what the fish are packed in, the container they are packed in, the type of fish, the density of the water they lived in, and many other variable which are far beyond the scope of his/her question.
#14
05-01-2012, 11:20 AM
 TANSL Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Rep: 300 Posts: 3,946 Location: Spain
What our friend MTHT100 needs to know is, not how much weights a fish, but the load it can carry in a cargo hold and under what conditions, the possibility of shifting of cargo, free surfaces and anything else that now I can not think.
I totally agree with MIDNITMIKE.
In any case I do not think it worthwhile to continue this discussion.
#15
05-01-2012, 12:05 PM
 Submarine Tom Previous Member
Sorry TANSL, that exclamation mark after your name was supposed to be a coma, my mistake, I had the cap lock on for your upper case forum name and forgot to take it off before hitting the coma botton which doubles as an exclamation key when on caps-lock.
I wasn't trying to express anger at your post.
If we want to read into what the OP is really wanting to know (a dangerous practice I've found) then I think a density of 1.0 should suffice and consider it water. Baffles may be a prudent feature to reduce free surface effect.

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