Employment in Asia

[Alik]

Actually, in Thailand there is no sence to hire foreign just graduate engineer without experience because Thai naval architects (both local or foreign educated) are available at lower salary. Thai government sets quite high minimal salary rates for foreigners, so the guy should be really good and have experience to justify his salary.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by john.deete

lived and worked in Thailand for over 15 years for a few yards and always got paid for my work on time.
Thailand's no different to any other country, you get good and bad everywhere

Agreed, in fact the bad ones I have met here actually migrated from elsewhere, or have other yards starting in China. Go figure.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Alik

Actually, in Thailand there is no sence to hire foreign just graduate engineer without experience because Thai naval architects (both local or foreign educated) are available at lower salary. Thai government sets quite high minimal salary rates for foreigners, so the guy should be really good and have experience to justify his salary.

I have yet to meet a NA that knows anything about building vessels. From large military, down to workboats. I have found NA's have little or no comprehension of the realities of building bots/ships. Yacht NA's seem to be better, but lose it when they start on the interior fitout. If they worked more hands on they would get to know more about what they drew.

There had my bitch for the day.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Alik

...so the guy should be really good and have experience to justify his salary.

ha ha ha, been here lately? Most of the guys I meet are good tradesmen, trouble is they pretend to be managers. In fact the yards on the Eastern seaboard have a history of poor management and dodgey operators.
No point in naming names, the fools that employ them should have known better or at least checked their CV's.

[Alik]

Originally Posted by Raven

I have yet to meet a NA that knows anything about building vessels. From large military, down to workboats. I have found NA's have little or no comprehension of the realities of building bots/ships. Yacht NA's seem to be better, but lose it when they start on the interior fitout. If they worked more hands on they would get to know more about what they drew.

If so, I can state that Your experinece with NA is quite limited. Just from training side, in my country NA studies for 5 years and is required to get 'shipwright worker' cetrificate prior to becoming an engineer

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Alik

If so, I can state that Your experinece with NA is quite limited. Just from training side, in my country NA studies for 5 years and is required to get 'shipwright worker' cetrificate prior to becoming an engineer

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but every boat/ship I built needed a lot of revisions for oversights by NA's
They get 4 years in a degree course in Australia, but in general don't know their nose from their behind.
I did 6 years trade, 4 years diploma, 4 years degree work, 15 years in bewteeen working my but off. I'm still learning with new technology introductions.
Most boffins (NA's) I've met are useless on the shop floor.

[Alik]

Raven, generally I agree, but this is always very individual. I think many NA's in this forum have real workshop experience.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Alik

Raven, generally I agree, but this is always very individual. I think many NA's in this forum have real workshop experience.

Glad to hear that, hope I meet some.

[vinceUK]

Dear all,


Thanks for sharing your opinion, either positive or negative.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alik
Raven, generally I agree, but this is always very individual. I think many NA's in this forum have real workshop experience.

I think we have exactly the same opinion and there are in every sector more or less skilled persons, why would it not be the same in the marine industry ?

If I apply to this kind of jobs this is because I really think I can bring something to the company. You know as I do that it is hard to get a good opinion on his own person but there are elements I tried to take into account. Others than the personal qualities (dynamism, motivation, etc) I have been a hands-in technician for years and have only decided to be back to University after this period and am about to get a good bachelor of science (either first or 2 :1). I am not going to write my all cv (if you want one, I will send it with pleasure), but this was just to explain you why I feel confident that I would not be as useless as some persons mentioned above.

Thanks to this thread I have been contacted by a Thai company. One of the managers sent me an accurate job description, and to make sure that I do not apply to something not adapted to me, I went to see one of my lecturers (NA) who I have been working with last summer in an English company. He said that it was really spot-on and that he doesn’t see why I should not be skilled for that. Of course, there is always a learning-curve and areas that I still have to learn but this is part of every job and if I keep on thinking about them, then I wil never apply to any job.

I do not want to make my own advert through this post but just to show that every profile is different.

I just can not understand why some persons make generalities on graduated people (frustration?, previous bad experience that becomes a generality?, …) and always try to lowr them….
Vince

[masalai]

Good onyer Sir, and may you learn more, and enjoy your challenges in life...

[Alik]

Vince, I think I know this recrutment agency. Any references You need - please ask me

[vinceUK]

Cheers Alik. I sent a CV to the manager about a month ago. He said that he would follow it to the director. I am still waiting for their answer. I appreciate it. Vince

[jusembo]

Vincent,

I'm looking for a trainee for our, beginning, boatyard specialized in wood cold-molding.
Location is south of China

[Raven]

Originally Posted by vinceUK

I just can not understand why some persons make generalities on graduated people (frustration?, previous bad experience that becomes a generality?, …) and always try to lowr them….
Vince

Congratulations, hope you do well, I found out the same, as I aged, and went through the diploma, and BE Maritime routes after realising my skills base was inadequate.
I'm not lowering anyones self esteem, merely voicing my opinion based on 15+ years of observation, like I said would be happy for it to be otherwise.