Advice on the fees for a 62 footers

[Kay9]

Wow Apex, Your opinion of yourself is so high that you cannot "lower" yourself to help out a young man in your own profession. When I point out that you have missread his post and you should either help him or quietly stand aside and let others that might be willing to help him speak you get upset and proclaim that "Another piss a Richard contest is starting".

You might want to try a new pill called Ego-be-gone cause yours is out of controll.

K9

Jaja Kay.............

Support him. The poor young man is just looking for a simple answer! (which he did not have, when he was on the level NEEDED to do what he is going to do)

And I was the only one to adress your rant, right?
Gonzo and Dskira did assist, yes?

[Kay9]

Steph357 said "I have the opportunity to work on the design of the hull of a 62 meters semi displacement craft. I will be working on my own and my job will be to realize the hull design with stability calculation and hull resistance estimation.

As it will be new for me working this way, I would need some help to know how much I can charge such a project.

Thank you very much

EDIT: fyi, I am still young and not very experimented, and the boat I might going to design is a series boat"

Now I read this and what I hear is a young man that has done some work in the past has been asked by a customer of HIS, not yours apex, to and I quote "Work on the design of a hull". It dose not sound as though he will be working as the sole engineer/designer but as an assist to one the customer allready has.

The young man further points out that he is not overly experianced and could use some help in determining how exactly to charge for his services.

Since he is not in direct competition with you Apex, and he isnt actively affecting one of your customers, I dont get/understand your hostility towards him. He might have even had further question about this project that he would have dearly loved to have brought here and asked experianced designers/engineers before he was so throughly decapitated by some of the "old timmers" here.

[fcfc]

One must admit Steph357 has special posts.

Help for a design in Maxsurf
Semi displacement hull

By the way, if someone could answer to the semi displacement post, I would be pleased too .

Originally Posted by Kay9

Steph357 said "I have the opportunity to work on the design of the hull of a 62 meters semi displacement craft. I will be working on my own and my job will be to realize the hull design with stability calculation and hull resistance estimation.

As it will be new for me working this way, I would need some help to know how much I can charge such a project.

Thank you very much

EDIT: fyi, I am still young and not very experimented, and the boat I might going to design is a series boat"

Now I read this and what I hear is a young man that has done some work in the past has been asked by a customer of HIS, not yours apex, to and I quote "Work on the design of a hull". It dose not sound as though he will be working as the sole engineer/designer but as an assist to one the customer allready has.

The young man further points out that he is not overly experianced and could use some help in determining how exactly to charge for his services.

Since he is not in direct competition with you Apex, and he isnt actively affecting one of your customers, I dont get/understand your hostility towards him. He might have even had further question about this project that he would have dearly loved to have brought here and asked experianced designers/engineers before he was so throughly decapitated by some of the "old timmers" here.

Why are you pissing at ME?
Are you unwilling to understand the others replies on "this young mans" question?

Support him! "Ship Captain" (what so ever that could mean, looks professional)

And go off my back with your dumb "ego" crap.
look here, and watch me assisting (no matter how imperfect the language):
two engines or one plus kicker
PTI motar

[Kay9]

I can see its pointless continuing with this. Thansk for the unsigned negative feedback. And I hope one day you get treated exactly has you have treated others.

K9

Originally Posted by Kay9

I can see its pointless continuing with this. Thansk for the unsigned negative feedback. And I hope one day you get treated exactly has you have treated others.

K9

Definetively I have NO idea what you are talking.

But obviously you do not rant against any lack of advice, that was not given by two other pro´s before I added my opinion.
But you just ignored that, and decided to search a fight with me.
Well do so. I´ll survive.
Richard

and now, before you leave the scene....where is your answer for the "young man"?

[Kay9]

See its that Ego Apex. I didnt initially address my rant at anyone in particular. Here let me put it here again for you"

"Why dont you guys give the young man a break and help him out here a bit rather then jump down his throat about his lack of experiance. If his customer that knows him wants him to do the work then the quality of his work is not in question here. He just dosnt know how to charge for it.

I know a lot of great shipwrights that have allways worked for others that have no idea what to charge when they go out on there own.

Now either live up to what this board stands for and help the young man out or just be quiet.

My $0.01 rant

K9"
Nope dont see your name mentioned in there once, but you sure took it personally.

Originally Posted by apex1

Kay

you missed a point I guess.
This guy asked for assistance in a commercial field where he does´nt belong.
I commented that.

Jaja.........

[gonzo]

I think the question comes when he claims lack of experience.

[TeddyDiver]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I think the question comes when he claims lack of experience.

Experience being independent.. Not so amazing if you happen to be in China I think..

[Steph357]

Waou !!!!!

I guess I will just figure out myself then.

Thanks anyway.

[dskira]

Originally Posted by Steph357

Hello everyone.

I have the opportunity to work on the design of the hull of a 62 meters semi displacement craft. I will be working on my own and my job will be to realize the hull design with stability calculation and hull resistance estimation.

As it will be new for me working this way, I would need some help to know how much I can charge such a project.

Thank you very much

EDIT: fyi, I am still young and not very experimented, and the boat I might going to design is a series boat

Nobody need to go after Richard, what he post is right.
This young man say he KNOW how to design, but do not KNOW how much to charge.
I say he doesn't KNOW how to design a boat, since his post show an evident lack of experience, and do not ASK for any help.
Only financial help. It is that Richard pointed rightfully.
If the young man ASK for advise, we will gave some, he don't.
So I think some people didn't read the thread and wrote for the sake of pissing context. So please Kay9 read the thread. And the language has nothing to do with this young man. Strange perception you have.

Cheers
Daniel

[Steph357]

Waou... again.

You read 3 lines on a forum and can figure out what I can and can't do ?

I guess I probably sound like a dreamer that step up in a place which isn't his.

I am 24 and I always wanted to be a naval architect and I worked for it, I was on a boat since I was 1. I think I know what I am doing, but again those are only words and no one have to believe me on that.

I though I had to prove my client what I am capable of, not to you.

Maybe you are right, maybe I don't know what I am doing, maybe I am too young, too unexperienced.

But something I am sure is that I won't give up my dreams and a great opportunity to a bunch of guys who don't know me and judge me so quickly.

Again, thank for the answers.

[fcfc]

You cannot expect to get useful practical information for free. Either in this forum or on papers. On the semi displacement post, Ossanen paper does not even list basic parameters as L/B or D/L. I do not speak of more "advanced" parameters as Cp.

Navcad software can do a bunch of performance estimations, including semidisplacement. It costs over 6000$. (year 2005 price)