Van de Stadt 29 Sea Dog steel

[eiltrenova]

Thanks Jeff, yes there is so many things that get thrown away because of aesthetics or the extra knot and everyone forgets that every time this happens we are simply damaging our environment. I am surprised there is not a section in this forum that covers environmental issues...one days our seas will change colour from turquoise to grey...

best wishes, andre

[welder/fitter]

Andre,
So anyone that buys a used boat in your area must supply full plans in order to register it? Or, couldn't you just submit the info. sheet you attached in the original post of this thread?
Mike

Plans should be paid for when buying a boat, so the designer can re-coup at least a small amount for the time he/she has invested. But, I agree with Andre & Wynand that; for someone wanting to register an existing boat, a basic lines plan should be available for cheap, or free. Maybe in a few years from now I'll feel differently? I don't know.

[Angélique]

Originally Posted by welder/fitter

Plans should be paid for when buying a boat, so the designer can re-coup at least a small amount for the time he/she has invested. But, I agree with Andre & Wynand that; for someone wanting to register an existing boat, a basic lines plan should be available for cheap, or free.

Agree with that, but until post #6 there was no information on this thread that this was about an existing boat. This was revealed here by CutOnce and Mike. Andre could simply have provided that information but instead he choose to go for rude comments and some indeed interesting clouds of words that alas didn't provide any information about his request for used plans. It is his good right do so as it is mine to dislike the rude comments following a misunderstanding due to the lack of information from his side on this thread.

Mike & CutOnce, thanks for the fill in of that information gap, much appreciated

from post #7

Originally Posted by Angélique

It would have supported the request for used plans if the questions about it simply were answered and info about the existing boat was given.

Cheers,
Angel

[eiltrenova]

Angelique, I cannot really see where I posted rude comments, so I cannot apologise at this stage or discuss things further.

Mike, in Spain and I think across the EU I believe that in order to register a new boat plans are required. In this specific instances this boat does not appear to be registered anywhere and the owner cannot be found, therefore it has to be done as a 'new' registered boat...

Best wishes, Andre

[Arvy]

I just looked at the vdstadt website, but this Sea Dog (or zeehond in dutch) isn't even listed on their site anymore.

I expected the 60 euros to be for just the study plans. But for a 30 footer (the vita) they charge 35 for the study plans and 800 for the building plans (either steel or aluminum).

Did you get that quote for 60 euro's from vd stadt themselves? If so, I find it a very reasonable price for the costs they actually have to make to send you the plans. It will take them at least an hour to print them and send them

I did make building kits for most of their designs and found the drawings (at least the ones I did, mostly from 1992 and later) very good.

Edit: I did find the plan on their website, the design is from 1977, and it seems that it cannot be bought anymore.

[pdwiley]

Originally Posted by eiltrenova

Hi Angel,

It is true there is always somebody out there trying to critique! But never mind, that is how the worlds goes round...
I would like to point out that this design is a boat more than 40 years old and therefore the naval architect(s) who worked on it have their villa assured somewhere in some nice corner of theworld, certainly not on the outskirts of some shanty town of South America... I think not even patent holders for inventions, scientific discoveries, like pharmaceuticals, claim rights over their output after so many years. So, there are some fair 'fat cats' out there. I believe there should be a limit to how much 'white collar' workers can earn as well as the lenght of time they can claim certain rights. Just imagine if one of the welders working in a building yard of the 1970s could claim financial rights over the earnings 'his' boat is still making!!!

I would also like to point out that my request was not to gain anything for free, or perhaps now that you have posted this entry some reader might think so! Indeed, if there is a cost I will consider it and if needed cover it. But certainly I will not pay nearly sixty euros for a 40 year old sheet of paper that has well 'fed' somebody's mouth. And please, avoid such comments as communism etc...this is about a more democratic way of sharing information accessible to 'everyone' and consciences of people are waking up and certain well known practices will soon disappear...

Best wishes,

Andre

If you can't afford 60 euros for plans then you can't afford a boat.

PDW

[eiltrenova]

Originally Posted by pdwiley

If you can't afford 60 euros for plans then you can't afford a boat.

PDW

but I can affort to pay a drink to you, next time you are nearby feel free to come a long for a good pint

best wishes, Andre