Type of sailboat for the job?

[Wellydeckhand]

Hai forum friends,

I am still new to sailboat, so I have a few question.

I was curious to know,

-what type of boat can have 2-3 with small cabin for near-shore travelling?

-what type of boat can have 4 person on a boat with spaces but just for short passages.

-what type of boat can have 4 person on a boat with sleeping space and weather proof for long passage

It will be better is the question is answer in refer to a present and old type of sailboat type.

WDH

[Seafarer24]

2-3 with small cabin for near-shore travelling. An 18-21' (5.5-6.5M) daysailor would fit that bill. The San Jaun 21 comes to mind.

4 person with spaces for short passages. What does "with spaces" mean? Place to sleep? I'm going to say that 24-30' (7.3-10M) may be what you're after.
Seafarer 24 , Seafarer 26 , Watkins 32

4 person sleeping and effectively living aboard, going offshore, etc. Now you're talking 40' and bigger (12M+)
Freedom 40

[DesioMedia]

I'm not extactly shure of the question your asking but I'll try as best as I can to help.

A 20'-25' boat with a small cabin with 2-3 people near shore would be fine, but no over night stay. Here are two examples,
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm
http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts...ct=model&id=15

A Pocket Cruiser (28'-32') with a good layout should fit 4 people for short travels. We used to have an oday 28 (v-berth, extendable couch, small couch, stern "hole") small but we used to go out with 3-4 people for 10 days a time, abit it was very cramped, but still nice. I would not sugest long stays aboard
http://www.stadtdesign.com/images/photos/409_inr.gif
http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm

I would go for a heavy 35'-38' cruiser, possiably with a center cockpit. If you are talking about long range ie transcontinential. A boat like this will be very nice for 4 people for a long time and cerently be protected from the weather.
http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/gtwhite.htm
http://www.huntermarine.com/models/38/index.html

for an all around good boat I would go with a new style 32'-34'
cruiser. http://www.stadtdesign.com/products/vds391.htm

or older for more room less speed. a 30'-33' oldie,
http://www.tedbrewer.com/sail_wood/tern.htm

or the

http://www.bruceroberts.com/public/H...escription.htm

god luck

[Wellydeckhand]

What a 65 ft or longer can do? in capacity term and sail option, is it too much area displacement for circumnavigate?

What is the best, comfortable size for circumnavigate sailboat with no luxury nonsense and with it?

[SeaSpark]

A large heavy boat needs large amounts of sail to drive it.

So i think the comfort factor is infuenced by the amount of sail you can handle easily. This depends on efficiency of the sail handling system and the amount of crew. A rought estimate: i think a crew of four can handle the sails of a heavy displacement type steel boat of max 50ft in comfort when on a long passage.

Longer is possible of course with a young, fit and happy crew.

[jehardiman]

Originally Posted by Wellydeckhand

What a 65 ft or longer can do? in capacity term and sail option, is it too much area displacement for circumnavigate?

What is the best, comfortable size for circumnavigate sailboat with no luxury nonsense and with it?

In my opinion, a ~40 ft moderate displacement hull is about optimum for an economical circumnavigation. Draft should be less than 2 meters, beam less than 4m, and air draft with rig struck of less than 3m.

There are many reasons for this;

1) Hull volume and WLL speed give the easy capability of a 40-60 day/100NMMG per day passage with 4 people. That will just about get you anywhere with a 1 week layover without provisioning in route. It is also large enough to weather Southern Ocean seas and long enougth to span Baltic/North Sea chop.

2) A hull of that size can moor/port/haulout just about anywhere. It also fits most canals in europe. And is under the "large" size where figuring the cost of slips and haulouts.

3) Sail area/weight of the largest sails is just about the maximum that one person can handle. The cost is also just about the "break" before sails start really getting expensive. This also applies to winches and tackle, it can all be standard size easy to find the world over.

4) The hull is large enough to take a watermaker, genset, and tankage to support small washer, weatherfax, autopilot, and freezer. You can also have a navstation and workbench.

Those are the big reasons for me.

[Wellydeckhand]

Then conclude that 65 Ft will be the max a one man operation on sail circumnavigate on open sea? I am just want to see the extreme possiblility of the vessel and still can fit everything I describe, tack along..... in the hull?

WDH

[Seafarer24]

Welly, if you were a gorilla, a 65' boat would be just fine to single-hand. However I'm assumining you're human, and not a multi-millionaire, so 65' is likely going to be far too much boat. The problem isn't necessarily the length, but all the sail area required to move it. That equates to a LOT of BIG sails, which are hard to handle and take expensive equipment to control.

Also, bottom-painting the boat with anti-fouling will be much more expensive, especially if you pay someone else to do it. All the rigging will have to be bigger and longer, more expensive. It's much more boat than one man needs to cruise comfortably, and it would probably wear one person (non-gorilla) out.

[Wellydeckhand]

I do fabrication, sandblasting or hydroblasting. Going to upgrade future to ice blasting....... have alot of paint stack-up in warehouse.

The problem is I am not really a Gorilla but I was refering to type of easy handling sail like lug sail or Junk rig. Maybe a wing sail would be an option.

Let's assume money is not the problem how many people I need to drive it? Will a couple hold out? I have seen alot of couple doing long journey.

I know running around on a 65 ft deck is not really slow walk, when the occasion arise.

WDH

[Bergalia]

Personally Wellydeckhand I would plump for a Freedom 40 - or it's ilk with wishbone for ease of single handling on lengthy cruises. Failing that I still love the soldidity of a Folkboat with Bermudan rig. Hard to come by nowadays, but well worth hunting down in the many backwaters where they enjoy quiet retirement.

[Wellydeckhand]

Of course, I will have a marina and boat collection that I rent out, I will keep a look out for Freedom 40, I like the name.