TP52s

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Jim Hauser

Wow Migghie, what do you think about yet another TP coming to the great northwest? The low-down is your favorite sailor on the sound is getting her own and it won't be Buchans castoffs. which leaves two 64K euro questions, who will grab the Yass and which one does TG have her eye on?

If Tripp Gal is taking over a TP52 it just confirms what I said about a year ago which was that she had to be unhappy with her current sailboat to be so wrong about Mac26x vessels (and Bongos and any small sailboat for that mater) and was likely a representative of Jim Teeters and the TP52 conspiracy (I like the sound of that) from the start. If you love your boat you tend to love all boats. Why get me going. Oh Yea – Its fun. Lets have Fun.

Lets think of this TP52 to Tripp Gal as payment for astroturfing the entire failed TP52 line, just for hypothetical fun purposes. I can not prove this of course but the story fits. The entire line of sadly designed – not for trans pacific use but billed-so vessels - has always been slated for dumping on the west coast of the US IMO. Hence the name TransPacific even though none of the boats has been designed for crossing the Pacific Ocean. And Puget Sound is a well known dumping ground for failed racers – J Boats out of San Francisco being a prime example.

Now that should get things flowing. The Church of the Future of Yacht Design is now Open.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DLackey

Hope you can get 3 months off of work to do it.

31 days are planned. But I am simply part of the puzzel. The boat is affectionately called a Saling Freighter, currently being leased by SunSail. She is 47 foot. Argh, Sudie Parker's new TP52 will still be larger. Not that size matters. In fact are sailers over 45 foot realy sailboats or simply powerboats with poles? Those on the AK inside passage think the latter. Wise are the ways of the Eskimo.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by usa2

i think the problem here is that the boat CAN be rolled over if one forgets to fill the ballast tanks. Its like forgetting to lower a centreboard, except most boats wont roll if you forget to do that, they'll just slide around.

No Mac26x has ever rolled over however Mac26x and m owners are ROTFALTAO (rolling on the floor and laughing their arses off) over Sailing Anarchy. This is classic

..eat sh*T, 10,000 flys can't be wrong.....

Remember SAP = Sailing Anarchy Poster and it is pronounced exactly as Larry pronounces it. Let us eat here. Let Fly. Damn this if fun.

I suppose all my "fans" are in the Xmas Parade. A wonderful event. Must be 50 decorated power boats and larger sailboats which we have already established are powerboats with poles. HO HO HO Merry Xmas. Egg Nog - more? OK. The Xmas boat parade runs a repeat on Saturday. I highly recommend it. BZ Olympia Yacht Club.

The Church of FOYD is now closed - except. There has been a proposal to temporary establish the SSSS board here. Perhaps if we keep things oriented to design that will be allowed. God knows that Sudie and her hackers can be effective at crashing any hard drive. - note smily

[the_sphincter]

"No Mac26x has ever rolled over"
Liar. That's why people got killed. If you keep spreading false information like that more people will get killed.


"In fact are sailers over 45 foot realy sailboats or simply powerboats with poles?"
Actually, if you've sailed any decent boat over 45 feet (racer, or cruiser/racer), you would find that the boats don't motor unless there is absolutely no wind. The reason, they go faster sailing, because that's why they are designed to do. Look at the volvo boats. No way could they go that fast motoring.

[water rat]

Originally Posted by Jim Hauser

Wow Migghie, what do you think about yet another TP coming to the great northwest? The low-down is your favorite sailor on the sound is getting her own and it won't be Buchans castoffs. which leaves two 64K euro questions, who will grab the Yass and which one does TG have her eye on?

So what was with Yass? Did Buchan actually buy her? Or charter? Giving up on her after one race?
Doesn't suprise me that TG is going for a differant boat. Needs to keep up with all the other faster boats. Thought something was up when NJ was entered by one of her guys.

[TP 52 Defender]

And yet the "failed" class continues to grow. Atalanti is building a new boat to accomidate some changes and Beau Geust has bought the Old Atalanti. Over last weekend the older designed Sjambok won the distance race and was having a great regatta against the latest of the 52 fleet.

More lies from Frank. Hey Frank the year is almost up and guess what there are still 31 active class boats. This number reflects the loss of Cristabela and does not include the Old Beau Geste - so once again FRANK IS WRONG (a point which he can not answer yet again). Also several of the boat have indeed sailed Trans Pacific so the above is more Frank BS. How do you think Franks "superior ride" would have done in the last TP 52 race - Seas 6 - 8 feet short chop with brezze on the nose in the upper 20 kt range, could it even have sailed?

[usa2]

Mighetto if you can read than you will see that the article posted by Sphincter is about a Mac26 rolling over.

[Shife]

Hey Frank. The pharmacy just called. Your meds are ready to be picked up.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by usa2

Mighetto if you can read than you will see that the article posted by Sphincter is about a Mac26 rolling over.

No it isn't. The 2002 July 4th drunken boater episode involved a Mac26x that was put on her side. Do you know something from the case Jim Teeter's testified in stating otherwise? The operator had 11 aboard, and was firing rockets from the bow hatch at the close of a fireworks display. No one will convince me that boat wakes were not involved even though no one testified so. If you have been out on the water for a fireworks display you likely agree. There is a culture of silence involving boat mishaps that is similar to the culture of corruption we now recognize as operating in the US Federal governement. Let me get on my soap box just a bit.

Lets speculate that the discussions that should be going on at the SSSS board (officially down owing to a hard drive failure) are not going on owing to wrong doing – the only known enemy of the Society being Sudie Parker AKA Tripp Gal or TG. The drive failure is suspicious because it is coupled with a backup failure and hence the work of 40 contributors at a value of I estimate 8,000 is lost forever. The hack, if it was a hack, can not be blamed on my posting there because Dan Decker and I agreed I would not do so, in kind of a test of who is the troll and who is not. Perhaps Sean will restore the original board. – now that would be gentlemanly. But no one will chat about what happened because there is insurance involved and damages.

Just to bring you all up to speed.

Synergy was not just holed by a J 109 last week but close to split in half. This is a design mater because Mike modified a bulkhead (allegedly) and the bulkhead modification might have something to do with the extensive damage that I don’t fathom can be corrected but am assured can be. it is the kind of event – a T bone, that is keeping more than a few from sailboat racing. But no one can find witnesses. Why is that. There were a lot of boats on the water for the race.

Nonetheless after my bumping a committee boat, I can see it possible that in the excitement of the start both crews executed poorly perhaps even doing the opposite of what the captain called for. Just another call for having your VHF on and having the committee boat broad cast the starts – and warnings.

How sad it is that of all the boats on the water, no one was an eye witness. Yea – right. Argh. The culture of corruption is everywhere. Think how many collisions could be avoided if engines were on?

Now think how much more we would know about boat design if the court records and testimonies were not closed.

Frank L. Mighetto

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by the_sphincter

"No Mac26x has ever rolled over"
Liar. That's why people got killed. If you keep spreading false information like that more people will get killed.

"In fact are sailers over 45 foot realy sailboats or simply powerboats with poles?"
Actually, if you've sailed any decent boat over 45 feet (racer, or cruiser/racer), you would find that the boats don't motor unless there is absolutely no wind. The reason, they go faster sailing, because that's why they are designed to do. Look at the volvo boats. No way could they go that fast motoring.

Actually, if you have watched the larger race vessels for even just one season you will see very few of the racing ones with sails up. This is because of the cost of the cloth. The sails are saved for racing.

I just purchased a UK Tape sail. The warranty was for 5 years except when I had the race numbers put on, the sailmaker invoked a 2 year warranty clause. Such are the ways of racing. I also spent a good time at Boston Harbor defending our SSSS wimp sailboat operators who instead of banging up their race gear waited out a 30 knot squall in the harbor on the way back from a race. Apparently the community had been looking forward to carnage.

On the Alaska inside passage, the locals refur to boats that could be sailing as pole boats. Sailboats are rarely seen with sails up in the Alaska Inside Passage, even when winds are favorable. When you can make way at hull speed and the boat is large so that speed is close to what a trawler will cruise at (8 or 9 knots) why not?

Consider also that many of the larger vessels - TP52s included, will not start a race if the winds are less than 7 knots or greater than 25 or 30.

Its a design thing. The children were killed by alcohal. The boat really never was on trial. The operator is serving 7 years or so for his felony. His second by the way. Teeters really showed himself a sub-human by even getting involved. But, I suspect there was a plan to discredit water ballasted designs and that plan involved getting court-of-law records (otherwize known as facts) that could be used to forstall all movable ballasted machines at the Grand Prix Rule Working Party.

Did you know that MacGregor splashed the Mac26x about the year that ISAF dictated to US Sailing that movable ballasted designs were to be supported. I can just see the fixed fin folks plotting for some way to discredit designs that lubbers instantly see as safer because the vessels can be made so even if full of water they will not sink.

By the Way, a dog or two survived the Drunken Boat episode. The children had life jackets on and likely paniked. Taylor tesitified against Teeters and pronounced the X to be a sound design. Are you willing to spread factual information - or just the false stuff? The fact is that boats that sink kill.

Frank L. Mighetto

[Shife]

Lets speculate that the discussions that should be going on at the SSSS board (officially down owing to a hard drive failure) are not going on owing to wrong doing – the only known enemy of the Society being Sudie Parker AKA Tripp Gal or TG. The drive failure is suspicious because it is coupled with a backup failure and hence the work of 40 contributors at a value of I estimate 8,000 is lost forever.

This has been discussed several times and you've been told why the board was shut down. No one "hacked" the bulletin board.

Synergy was not just holed by a J 109 last week but close to split in half. This is a design mater because Mike modified a bulkhead (allegedly) and the bulkhead modification might have something to do with the extensive damage that I don’t fathom can be corrected but am assured can be. it is the kind of event – a T bone, that is keeping more than a few from sailboat racing. But no one can find witnesses. Why is that. There were a lot of boats on the water for the race.

Post proof of your claims here or shut the hell up. Better yet, you could address your "allegations" to the owner here:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums...howtopic=26795
Oh, that's right, you can't because you were banned.

Your lack of knowledge of what goes on in your own back yard is disturbing. You continue to take bits and pieces of what you hear, modifiy it to fit your needs, and then present it here as the truth. You are a disgrace to both the sailing community, and mankind in general.

For the 8 billionth time Frank: TP52's, Tripp Gal, Jim Teeters, and fast boats in general, have NOTHING to do with your crappy little 241 rated tub. There is NO GOD DAMNED CONSPIRACY! The most exotic sails in the world will never make you competetive with the big boats Frank. They're out of your league. Both in speed and skill. You can't even negotiate a start sequence for Christ's sake. Get over yourself, and your jealousy of all things better than you. Seriously man, how the hell can you walk into the club and even look fellow a sailor in the eye. You're a liar, a fraud, and a weakling in the sailing world. And everybody knows it Frank, everybody but you.

[the_sphincter]

hahahahah you bought a tape drive. I bet that sailmaker was laughing all the way to the bank. Who'd you get it from? Can we get an SA Innerview?

[TP 52 Defender]

"... TP52s included, will not start a race if the winds are less than 7 knots or greater than 25 or 30."

Yet this past weekend the TP 52 started a race in 28 kts and a race at 5 kts - once again Frank lies.

[barleymalt]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Actually, if you have watched the larger race vessels for even just one season you will see very few of the racing ones with sails up. This is because of the cost of the cloth. The sails are saved for racing.

Hmmm..Think they may have backup racing and delivery sails, Frank?

I just purchased a UK Tape sail. The warranty was for 5 years except when I had the race numbers put on, the sailmaker invoked a 2 year warranty clause. Such are the ways of racing.

Sailmakers don't warranty racing sails for five years, you ignorant asswipe, and the act of affixing numbers does not affect any warranty. Did he also guarantee that the sail would help you reach the elusive fourth mode? And it is a Tape Drive, not a Tape. The sailmaker must have been laughing hysterically after you left.

I also spent a good time at Boston Harbor defending our SSSS wimp sailboat operators who instead of banging up their race gear waited out a 30 knot squall in the harbor on the way back from a race. Apparently the community had been looking forward to carnage.

On the Alaska inside passage, the locals refur to boats that could be sailing as pole boats. Sailboats are rarely seen with sails up in the Alaska Inside Passage, even when winds are favorable. When you can make way at hull speed and the boat is large so that speed is close to what a trawler will cruise at (8 or 9 knots) why not?

Consider also that many of the larger vessels - TP52s included, will not start a race if the winds are less than 7 knots or greater than 25 or 30.

Where does this observation come from, your vast racing experience?What do have now, two beer can races?

Its a design thing. The children were killed by alcohal. The boat really never was on trial. The operator is serving 7 years or so for his felony. His second by the way. Teeters really showed himself a sub-human by even getting involved. But, I suspect there was a plan to discredit water ballasted designs and that plan involved getting court-of-law records (otherwize known as facts) that could be used to forstall all movable ballasted machines at the Grand Prix Rule Working Party.

While alcohol was a factor, the boat was overloaded, and unstable, and I suspect the operator was probably not very skilled. Just as your ignorance of racing rules and lack of experience was a factor in your hitting an RC boat. Comparing your floating Clorox bottle to modern water ballasted designs is an exercise in lunacy.

Did you know that MacGregor splashed the Mac26x about the year that ISAF dictated to US Sailing that movable ballasted designs were to be supported. I can just see the fixed fin folks plotting for some way to discredit designs that lubbers instantly see as safer because the vessels can be made so even if full of water they will not sink.

Any boat or ship can sink Frank. To claim otherwise is reckless and stupid.

By the Way, a dog or two survived the Drunken Boat episode. The children had life jackets on and likely paniked. Taylor tesitified against Teeters and pronounced the X to be a sound design. Are you willing to spread factual information - or just the false stuff? The fact is that boats that sink kill.

When have you ever spread factual information? You spread incoherent snippets of other people's ideas ideas fused together in a completey illogical and ludicrous manner, and then pronouce them as gospel truth, no matter how much factual evidence is presented to you. You are without a doubt the biggest raving lunatic of a troll to have polluted a sailing forum. This will be my last response to you. I am now Mighetto free.

Frank L. Mighetto

Barleymalt..Out.

[Shife]

Wow, more orders for new TP52s being placed, and now rumours of a third TP52 coming to Frankie's back yard. This must really be screwing with your head Frank. Question for you Frankie: Does your shrink laugh at you during your session, or just when you leave? What's his take on your TP52/Jim Teeters/Tripp Gal/Skull and Bones conspiracy? Any new advancements in foil hat construction, or are you waiting for Roger MacGregor to introduce a water ballasted model with aerodynamics condusive to reaching the fourth mode?