TP52s

[skinny boy]

And you wonder why they voted you out of office. You are a disgrace to any organization. You disparage people. You are mean spirited and you try to be an Internet bully. Once again, before you bring out the tired old Internet Terrorism Act, post the verbage that shows your claim. You have violated copyright and intellectual property rights on this board as well as other places. You have violated professional codes of ethics for computer professionals of which you claim to be one. You have called all your fellow lub members and officers cowards and claimed they have violated the by-laws of their organizations all without proof of any kind.

Why don't you post the part of the by-laws that says it takes 20%. How about the part that says the organization is governed under RRO.

I can post the specifics of the ethics violations:
1.8: Certified computing professionals have a responsibility to respect intellectual property rights, including copyrights, patents and trademarks. Violation of copyrights, patents and terms of license agreements is prohibited by law in most circumstances. Even when not so protected, such violations are contrary to professional behavior. Software should be copied only with proper authorization. Unauthorized duplication of both printed and electronic materials must be discouraged including those cases where the work has not been explicitly protected by any means. Credit should not be taken for the work of others. The work of others should not be used without specific acknowledgment and authorization.

3.2: Personal Conduct: Insofar as one's personal and professional activities interact visibly to the same public, one is expected to support, respect and abide by the appropriate laws and in general to apply the same high standards of behavior in one's personal life as are demanded in one's professional activities.

I think it is time for you to apologize to everyone you have attacked and refrain from further personal attacks.

[Shife]

Sounds like that pretty much covers his rape of the SA logo. Time to apologize and go away Frank.

[Mark 42]

Originally Posted by mighetto

PHRF-NW ... to which I belong, of course and intend to become more active in.

I'm sure they'll welcome the help

Y'all were warned:
http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/tp52s-5471-post31722.html

[TP 52 Defender]

Time to change the tread name to Franks ever moving diatribe - no comments on the 52's I see. O'well I guess I never really expected any honest comments from Frank - especially after a TP 52 killed under IRC in a distance race. On another news front yet another TP 52 has been ordered - seems like there is a chance to have 30 boats at Key West 2006 (now that's going to be FUN!)

[TP 52 Defender]

Ladies, Gentlemen, and the rest of us sailing Vermin I present the following for your further consideration:

From SSSS's web site (
http://ssssclub.com/officers.htm):

South Sound Sailing Society Officers

The South Sound Sailing Society
P.O. Box 1102 Olympia WA USA 98507-1102
area code 360

SSSS Board Members 2005-6
Commodore Dan Decker Contact information removed
Vice-Commodore Dave Elliott
Secretary Carl Applebaum
Treasurer Terry Watness (Note Not Frank)
Member-at-Large Thera Black
Race Chair Erik Dahl
Cruise Chair Dwayne Young
Past Commodore Sue Bishop



Please note that Frank is, in fact, not the Clubs secretary and is in fact lying again. I am pretty sure that these continued lies do once any for all prove that Frank is unwilling or incapable of distinguishing the hurt is is doing to the sport of sailing (and in fact is in violation of the TOS on this site as his has been on others).

For those who have read through this whole thread first let me say I am sorry. Secondly please verify everything posted by the user Migehtto before using any of the information he has presented here. Although he may seem well meaning he is in fact a serial liar who has posted not only untruthful but even dangerous information on this (and other sites).

His lies include but are not limited to subjects involving:
The Transpac 52 Class
Yacht Stability Calculations
Sailing Anarchy
Water Ballast (Modern Theories and Applications)
The Racing Rules of Sailing 2000 to 2004 and 2005 to 2009
General Principles of sailing
Southern Sound Sailing Society
IRC
Roberts Rules of Order
Jim Teeters
PHRF
Macgregor Yachts
Farr Yacht Sales
Farr Yacht Design
Santa Cruise Yachts
US Sailing
IYRC
International 14's
Mini Transat Class
505 International
Frank Bethwaite\
General principles of Physics
and many others


In addition to this he has engaged in Libel, trademark violations, plagiarism and several bouts of severe silliness.

Frank still waiting on you apologies per earlier post.

[Jim Hauser]

PNW sailors know he's a bit off and his absolute inability to face reality. He's been famous for claiming that his boat is faster than the Melges 24. What is concerning is just how mean and bitter he is about people in the sailing world. Scathing remarks and unprovoked attacks towards the sportsmen and volunteers is not appropriate. My apologies to Farr, Teeters, and TrippGirl, they have borne the brunt of his anger for quite some time now. Why they haven't sued is beyond me.

His flagrent abuse of copyrighted materials should be severely dealt with.

[Pacific Fog]

The amount of ridicule and scorn he has generated in south sound area is amazing; he seems to feed off of the notoriety even if it’s for being an idiot.

Having been the host of a small local bulletin board that Frank started posting on and getting no little hate mail form some our members, I sought legal counsel showing the firm some the posts Mr. Magneto had typed and posted, the firm recommend that I shut the board down immediately, although I never totally shut it down, it took the banning of 4 ISP to keep him from posting, 2 were from the State of Washington Servers


Sean

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Jim Hauser

PNW sailors know he's a bit off and his absolute inability to face reality. He's been famous for claiming that his boat is faster than the Melges 24. What is concerning is just how mean and bitter he is about people in the sailing world. Scathing remarks and unprovoked attacks towards the sportsmen and volunteers is not appropriate. My apologies to Farr, Teeters, and TrippGirl, they have borne the brunt of his anger for quite some time now. Why they haven't sued is beyond me.

His flagrent abuse of copyrighted materials should be severely dealt with.

Hey, arn't you a member of Tripp Gal's crew? Messing with elections is bad. Live and Let live. But thanks for the campaign posters:



Me, mine and the ms. Truth Seakers for America. The manufacturer claims they do 17 MPH under sail. They don't say that about melges. Huzzah. Hey what is with the transpac coverage. Back to the melt down.

Frank Mighetto
Member South Sound Sailing Society
and a hell of a nice guy

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Pacific Fog

The amount of ridicule and scorn he has generated in south sound area is amazing; he seems to feed off of the notoriety even if it’s for being an idiot.

Having been the host of a small local bulletin board that Frank started posting on and getting no little hate mail form some our members, I sought legal counsel showing the firm some the posts Mr. Magneto had typed and posted, the firm recommend that I shut the board down immediately, although I never totally shut it down, it took the banning of 4 ISP to keep him from posting, 2 were from the State of Washington Servers.
Sean

Rewriting history oh friend of Sailing Anarchy? Let it go. But just for the record. Under Roberts Rules of Order a commitee reports to the board and it is unusual for the board to disclose who was on the commitee. Committe membership is knowable only by other board members. But you were outed. Outed by a PHRF Board Member.

SSSS Bulletin Board Report, 7 March 2005

The SSSS Board asked Commodore Susan Bishop to find some experienced sailors look at the situation with the SSSS Bulletin Board and propose suggestions, to the SSSS Board, on how to improve it.

“Volunteers” include George Hansen, Sean Trew, Eric Bishop, and Dave Knowlton.

Sean and Eric provided the task force with suggestions via email prior to the 5 March meeting.

The Volunteers, minus Eric who was in Colorado, met on 5 March 2005 and came to the following consensus:

The SSSS Bulletin Board is for the enjoyment, education and communication among SSSS Members.

SSSS Members and their family members may be allowed to participate if they agree to follow the guidelines listed below. Non-Members will not be allowed to participate in the Bulletin Board. The situation before was acerbated by nonmembers who the BB Administrator had little or no control over their behavior.

The SSSS Board should appoint three or more Bulletin Board moderators. The role of the moderator is to implement the immediate controls listed in Guideline #1 below, with the exception of suspending privileges and guided by guidelines #3 and #4. The moderators may work on an independent basis, and once a month provide a report to the SSSS board, if necessary, listing the names of Members who have violated the guidelines and continue to do so. The SSSS board, as opposed to one individual such as the BB Administrator, is the sole authority to suspend the violator’s privileges to the BB.

The Volunteers agreed with Sean’s assessment that whatever is stated as guidelines may be worthless in court, however it is beneficial for all to see the SSSS guidelines before using the Bulletin Board.

The Volunteers also agreed that allowing only SSSS Members and their families to use the Bulletin Board would result in a greater administrative span of control and reduce the disparaging remarks about SSSS and of individual members.

The role of the Moderator would be one of housekeeping using guidelines #3 and #4. Common sense, sound judgment, and an ability to work amicability with others are traits desired of a Moderator. Some members who could be excellent Moderators include: George Hansen, Eric Bishop, Kelly Coon, and Eric Egge. Calm, cool, non -confrontational, and the ability to work under pressure describe the above individuals. There are several other Members who would be excellent Moderators.

The reasoning for having the SSSS Board be the sole authority for suspending a Member’s privileges is to have more eyes looking at the alleged violation and also take the pressure off of one individual, previously the BB Administrator, to make such a decision.

Guidelines.

All messages are property of the South Sound Sailing Society and the Society reserves the right without notice to move, edit, delete, save any post, and suspend the Bulletin Board privileges of Members who do not follow these guidelines.

Views and opinions expressed on the Bulletin Board are of the respective authors and not necessarily those of South Sound Sailing Society.
All posts shall be suitable for a general audience.

There will be no disrespect to others. If you do not agree with the person’s opinion, you are still expected to be open-minded and courteous to the other person.
By clicking the register, you agree to be bound by these guidelines.

Respectfully Submitted,
Those who were Volunteered

see http://www.ssssclub.com/bar.htm

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Come on Sean, admit it. Your legals were not the instigators of shutting down the board were they? It was Tripp Gal or associate of Tripp Gal. When the wind of change blows it blows the status quo Or is it The Status Quo Blows registered Sailing Anarchy.

Our Club’s electronic BB had to be shut down in February. We had picked up a group of posters who had brought the conversation down to grade school level. This destroyed its value for most of our Members and drove them off. So we shut it down and formed a committee to look into the problem.

Sean - your commitee recognized that the problem was not with me but with non members, IE Tripp Gal, Bubba, Crank Boy, I suppose - anyway The usual suspects. Regarding DSHS computers - as far as I know non have ever been restricted from the SSSS board. What are you talking about? Are you really Sean?

Frank Mighetto
Member SSSS

[Shife]

Frank, you are truly ill. The last several posts show first hand knowledge of your lies, and you ignore them and come up with more conspiracy theories. You're not fooling anyone.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Shife

Frank, you are truly ill. The last several posts show first hand knowledge of your lies, and you ignore them and come up with more conspiracy theories. You're not fooling anyone.

Good one I like it. When you run for office, any office you get this Bravo Sierra. I prefer the Bravo Sierra meter to the BS meter. Perhaps the artist can rework his gif. Anyway now I have assman claiming to be me on Sailing Anarchy. You have to check with me directly mighetto@eskimo.com to know which theories are really mine.

Theory - TP52s are ships for fools. They represent the last of a long line of foolish designs involving an experimental period starting with the 12 meters and the Americas Cup and designers who while good racers were not trained to design and ending with visous attachs on MacGregor Yachts, owners of MacGregor Yachts, former owners of MacGregor Yachts and all who would dare to disagree with the notion that TP52s are the "pinicle" of yacht design, or that foils should be retracted without penulty during PHRF racing.

Agree or Disagree - but Vote US Sailing and Vote SSSS.

[Reemul]

Frank,
What I completely don't understand, Is why you have to always blame everything that happens to you on Tripp_Gal? Other than find an what is a very funny website and suggesting that people check it out, She has done nothing to you. Frank, you don't know her. She is a very nice and caring person and you would have found this out if you had taken the time to be civil. Instead you cooked up this grand conspiricy about her. Ask any of her crew, old or new and they will all say the same thing. I think you need to look closer at your own actions and leave her out of it. Just listen to Pacific Fog, he has no connection with her and he just posted why the board was closed down. Talk to Steve W, He has met Her and has no reason what so ever to lie to you, in fact, I don't believe it's in his nature to lie. He will tell you the same thing that I am saying here. Just forget about Tripp_Gal, Sail your boat, and enjoy it. You and the sailing world will be much much happier.

Scott Awalt
Member of South Sound Sailing Society
Owner of Sugar Magnolia (S2 7.9)
2005-2006 SSSS B-Fleet Captain
Honored to be crew on Tripp_Gal's Boat

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

Ladies, Gentlemen, and the rest of us sailing Vermin I present the following for your further consideration:

From SSSS's web site (
http://ssssclub.com/officers.htm):

Frank still waiting on you apologies per earlier post.

Defender, I stand by everything posted in this thread but am still open to the possibility of salvaging TP52s for IRC. Three TP52s (one of them the former esmarelda) are looking into foil changes. This is the kind of thing that would be necessary to make them better. Consider instead of canting foils, the notion of water ballast and smaller bulbs. We just do not need any more of these ships of fools and we need recognition of the superior designs which are possible, such as those coming from MacGregor Yachts.

I still am unable to find out about Barking Dog III - did the Mac65 start the Transpac? Looks like all 5 TP52s did. Five, - it sould have been a dozen. I know, I know, they are all in the Med. Keep them.

[Pacific Fog]

Well frank my board is alive and well and SSSS still does not have one up yet...
And you’re some what right I did ask the club to break there link to the board...

I also recommended that the club not have a board.

As for Trip Gal you’re ******* full of **** and don't know what your talking about... It was 100% legal advice that drove my decision to not be associated with the SSSS web page and You!

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Reemul

Frank,
What I completely don't understand, Is why you have to always blame everything that happens to you on Tripp_Gal? Other than find an what is a very funny website and suggesting that people check it out, She has done nothing to you. Frank, you don't know her. She is a very nice and caring person and you would have found this out if you had taken the time to be civil. Instead you cooked up this grand conspiricy about her. Ask any of her crew, old or new and they will all say the same thing. I think you need to look closer at your own actions and leave her out of it. Just listen to Pacific Fog, he has no connection with her and he just posted why the board was closed down. Talk to Steve W, He has met Her and has no reason what so ever to lie to you, in fact, I don't believe it's in his nature to lie. He will tell you the same thing that I am saying here. Just forget about Tripp_Gal, Sail your boat, and enjoy it. You and the sailing world will be much much happier.

Scott Awalt
Member of South Sound Sailing Society
Owner of Sugar Magnolia (S2 7.9)
2005-2006 SSSS B-Fleet Captain
Honored to be crew on Tripp_Gal's Boat

Thanks Scott, I continue to try. Thanks for accepting the SSSS B-Fleet Captain Gig. I only had one enemy when I took the Secretary post and she was Tripp Gal. Every problem has been connected to her in some way. It isn't me that keeps bringing it up. PHRF-NW really would be better of if she resigned as a rater. She cares only for big boat racing.

Talk to Steve W, He has met Her and has no reason what so ever to lie to you, in fact, I don't believe it's in his nature to lie

Steve is pureblood PHRF. His administration follows the rule of what is best for PHRF-NW and if that is good for SSSS great. If not, so what. Steve is not only not a Member of SSSS but he is not a voting member of the SSSS board and yet he pretends to be all the time. I hope he can see his way to support IRC. Steve is a life member of SSSS but this is an honory position. Life members can discuss but not make motions. He is an ex-oficio Board Member of PHRF as you were but unlike you, he would not become a member. He simply will not be bound by our Bylaws. Interesting thing about Steve is that he has concluded that PHRF racing isn't competitive like folks at CYC Seattle have. This is why he races Stars. I believe you purchased your S2 7.9 boat from him. We all love Steve. But he comes from a place outside of The Society. We should not forget that. He is not bound as a steward of our Bylaws or our Assets, like the BB, as you and I are. Steve, has told me many times that he did not wish for you to be sailing with Tripp Gal. But that is between you and he. He may tell you otherwise. Tripp Gal is a PHRF rater after all. I did meet her, a week or so ago. We shook hands. In time I intend to turn her into a friend.

Steve also is not a US Sailing supporter. US Sailing really is making the effort to improve the state of afairs in sailing and that meant abandoning the TP52s by spinning off ORC and supporting IRC

Frank L. Mighetto
Member of South Sound Sailing Society
Member US Sailing
Owner of Murrelet (1999 Mac26x)
Honored to be crew on Sugar Magnolia (S2 7.9)
sad we hit Oh-My-God
sadder still there was no protest but then the unwriten rule
you do not win protests against boats with a PHRF board member aboard

Damn we need IRC. Hey, how about joining US Sailing?