TP52s

[mighetto]

#1 No one has ever confused me with you.

Oh sorry, I stand corrected. An SSSS member then from Michigan. Why not. We are legion.

#2 YOU are the reason that board was shut down. It was shut down for the same reasons YOU have been kicked out of so many forums.

Where does this come from? Let me tell you what I think happend. While my wife and I were sailing in the Galapagos, Tripp Gal put preasure to have me removed from the club on our vice commodor, a coward, to which I have called him to his face, who nonetheless will be a great commodor next year assuming everyone follows rule 14. Which you are not. When I returned from the Galapagos, I was informed that Tripp Gal and her thugs had called one of our more accomplished former MacGregor Owners a "little man", this comment greatly distressing the current multi-huller to the point that he will never post ever again on a forum. In looking into the matter, I discovered that the SSSS BB had been taken over by skalliwags who claimed that the BB didn't belong to SSSS. I posted URLS showing otherwize, had several hours of discussion with the photo journelist and resolved the mater until he talked to his legals and the PHRF board member. The board member likely relating the notion that I had little athority in the matter owing to likelihood of my removal. At that time I also prepared a 69 report, the basics which are on this boat design forum, enlightening those who were interested of Tripp Gals ways and likely tharting this wrong doing. Remember (I was unaware of any votes to remove me at the time.) This report I later withdrew, again being fooled into thinking matters resolved by the same PHRF director who was the first of all to recieve it. This director by the way is not an SSSS member. I have recruited him many times now. He simply will not be bound by our Bylaws.

#3 SA has not been "taken over" by SSSS members. Some SSSS members are registered users who post there and that is it. You were booted from SA for repeatedly posting the same ridiculous crap and not listening to reason. You are doing the same here.

Well, I do see that I no longer can post there under my handle. The message says I have the wrong password and to request email on a new password which I have tried but have yet to get a response. Perhaps I was booted. I am not posting with an alternate. I am listed as a member of the board. I still can read as a guest. You still must come to grips with the notion that it is by invitation that I posted there at all. If I am wanted back just have the ed contact me.

#4 IRC is "scaring" no one. It is a new rule that may be a better fit for some races and organizations, but not all. Your boat will most likely never race under IRC. Look up this years Bayview Mac Race and you may (although probably not) understand.

http://www.torresen.com/sailing/cont...es/000427.php?

You will need to expain this to me. If a J24, a J80 and a Melges 24 can be class rated for IRC then so can the Mac26x. IRC is primarily for new designs and new cruiser racer designs. It is taylor made for my kind of craft. Sorry, fellow, but IRC is the reason PHRF board directors and raters like Tripp Gal are upset with US Sailing. If scared of change isn't the reason, there should be some other theory. Do you have one?

[sailsmall]

Hey, I see that SSSS has installed their new BoD. Somehow Frank missed the cut. No promotion and no track to Commodore. What a surprise.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sailsmall

Hey, I see that SSSS has installed their new BoD. Somehow Frank missed the cut. No promotion and no track to Commodore. What a surprise.

Actually, my term of office doesn't expire until June of 2006. The Secretary is the equil to the Commodor in the Society and the notice, posted by a PHRF-NW Director who must be just scared to death of IRC, is yet another attempt to remove me that stems from Tripp Gal, who of course is a rater at PHRF-NW. A rater that we do not need, I add, because the Society's territory includes Seattle and West Puget Sound. Hence our SSSS rater should be doing her work. Lots of folks want on the board of SSSS right now. It is probably the most influential functioning sailing organization in the US right now. Which shows you how far sailing in the US has dropped. The influence comes from the members being authorized to represent the club without authorization from the board. I do not need to challenge for us to progress. This is what rule 14 is all about and of course True Sailing Anarchy.

Frank L. Mighetto
SSSS Member; US Sailing Member; Sailing Anarchy Member
perpetual write-in candidate for any office at SSSS or US Sailing.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Shife

#1 You DO NOT have a rotating keel. You have a centerboard
#2 Your boat is NOT a twin keeled vessel. It IS a retracting centerboard trailersailer with flip up rudders. These are not performance features. They are there to make your boat easy to trailer. That is it.
#3 Macgregor did NOT invent the swing keel.
#4 "Rotating keelfoil is the term for a secondary appendage rather than a foil that prevents lateral drift or crabbing." No, you are thinking of a canard. Which you do not have.
#5 You do NOT have a rotating mast. You have a fixed, deck stepped mast.
#6 A canting keel, centerboard, and daggerboard, are not the same things. You have no clue.
#7 Until you pony up the coin to buy a boat that has a class rule of owner/driver, it means NOTHING to you. It never has and never will have a effect on your PHRF cruising class.

Frank, it's time to put the keyboard away. Park your boat for a while, and beg a ride on a actual racing sailboat. Keep your mouth shut and try to learn from what is going on around you on the racecourse. Try to learn why it is that fixed keel boats such as J35's outpoint your Mac by at least 20 degrees. While you claim you want to learn, you reject reality and substitute your delusions that make your boat seem worthwhile. Get a damn grip man.

While you're sitting here thinking of more lies Frank, I'm going sailing.

What the??? Damn, so will I.

[TP 52 Defender]

"The 05-08 rules on collision eliminate the need to call out a protest or wave a flag."

They most certainly do NOT - try it and watch the PC or Jury throw it out on validity issues. You should attend a rules seminar as it is swiftly becoming obvious you have seen the book but not read it (or if you did you failed to understand it - which considering your inability to grasp even some of the basic principles of sailing does not surprise me).


"The movement from side to side on some water ballasted vessels is the result of design rules limiting the total amount of water ballast that can be carried."
- Correct in a few cases (Specific classes) but not in most. However there are no design rules that limit the amount of water ballast - the rule that governs this is the same old trade off - performance / rateing


"Usually these vessels also are limited in where the water ballast tanks are placed so that the tanks behave like rail meat might."
- This is because where the crew hikes is usualy the best place to put weight to add to the righting moment.

"Owing to the Mac26x this is the most extensively studied and accepted form of water ballast."
- LIE! It is the most cost effective way of balasting a Trailer Pocket Crusier. The primary reason the MAC 26 (and similar TPC's) have this meathod of ballast is to be able to reduce trailerable weight.

"Movement is simply on or off the boat. The rotating keel can be used to move weight forward and aft if crew are not doing their jobs."
- You have a centerboard not a rotating keel. Say it with me "I have a center board, it is used to add to stablity. It moves up and down only and when it moves in the slot it is only because it is loose."


The Mac 26 does not have a gybing center board - it is simply loose and inefficient. Calling it a rotating keel is so laughable that you brought tears to my eyes (thanks!) The other features are there to aid in trailering as has been pointed out (repeatedly).

Winches are not stored energy devices unless they are electric - you can't really be this silly with out the aid of chemicals.

The TP 52 rig dimensions have not changed - this has been pointed out time and again (the only change that was made was selecting 1 spinnaker pole replacing the 2 of different lengths] and using only 1 kite inventory).

The bowman (a position I sail in often on the TP) is at no more significant risk than he/she would be on any other boat provided the crew is of a sufficient caliber. The rest of the diatribe on sails is so much BS that I'll let it go as a joke.

Frank I must conclude that one of three things hear is true:
1. Your a bored Troll and get some perverse pleasure by asking for help and then rejecting it when it is offered by your betters.
2. That you a truly a "Wannabe" as described and you actually believe the crap that you keep posting.
3. That you need professional help both in sailing and with regard to mental health.

Could be all three

Seriously if you want help ask politely.

[Mark 42]

Originally Posted by Shife

#5 You do NOT have a rotating mast. You have a fixed, deck stepped mast.

To be fair... He might have a rotating mast if he retrofitted one:
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums...howtopic=13529

I think it's now a M26 option.

[TP 52 Defender]

I notice that on your site you claim that skulling to catch a puff is now allowed - Here's a bit of a hint WRONG! It is a violation of RRS 42 please re-read.

You may skull in 4 cases anything else is a foul:

1. When above close hauled to return to close hauled
2. To REDUCE speed
3. To help a vessel in danger
4. To get clear after colliding or grounding

In regard to RRS you have been wrong on 2, 26, 42, 61 and 69. You should stop with the rules stuff and have a chat with a local Judge about setting up a rules seminar.

[Reemul]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Actually, my term of office doesn't expire until June of 2006.

You are wrong Frank. Your term ended as of June 30 (Art V sect 2). You know that being a member of this years board and the one who puts together the handbook. So, That is a 100% bold face LIE and you know it. Be man enough to admit it. Just so everyone knows and can check it themselves, the SSSS handbook is online at: http://www.ssssclub.com/handbook.htm

[Pacific Fog]

Originally Posted by mighetto

I discovered that the SSSS BB had been taken over by skalliwags who claimed that the BB didn't belong to SSSS. I posted URLS showing otherwize, had several hours of discussion with the photo journelist and resolved the mater until he talked to his legals and the PHRF board member.

You are wrong Frank!

The first reason you were excluded from the bulletin board was of the lies you tell and the second was after having a brief telephone conversation with you I decided that a phone call to my lawyer was in order after hearing some of your thinly disguised or implied threats.

Sean

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Reemul

You are wrong Frank. Your term ended as of June 30 (Art V sect 2). You know that being a member of this years board and the one who puts together the handbook. So, That is a 100% bold face LIE and you know it. Be man enough to admit it. Just so everyone knows and can check it themselves, the SSSS handbook is online at: http://www.ssssclub.com/handbook.htm

Reemul, why is this important to you? Is Tripp Gal still using you as a mole?

Our Society has only one office that is limited to a single year term. That is the Past Commodore position.

The job descriptions for officers are fully explained in Roberts Rules of Order Revised. RRO was developed in the Pacific Northwest, a fascinating story that our founder relates in one of her Gunkholing books. But in any case, in a proper Society the Secretary and the Commodore (President) are assumed to be of equil power and authority by RRO.

Because the Commodore automatically becomes the Past Commodore and the Past Commodore is a member of the Board, for the Secretary to be of equil power and authority it is a two year Board position. It has always been this way to my knowledge. This was fully explained to me and the Membership by the Past Commodore when I was nominated and you can read about it in the May 2004 Ship To Shore.

There is of course more. A Washington State Corporation, of which SSSS is, can only be formed if there is a President (Commodore) and a Secretary. The President and the Secretary can not be the same person. You do not need any other officers.

Of course there is also a lot of misunderstanding. In a Proper Society, there can be multiple Vice Presidents (Vice Commodores). We only have one and I suppose for the uninitiated it would appear that the Vice Commodore would naturaly be second in command and on line to become Commodore. But think of your bank. Every one you chat with is a Vice President right?

There is one other key ingredient of our Society, which is also fully described in RRO. That is the Nominating Commitee. The purpose of a Nominating Commitee is to oversee the Board, in particular to oversee the President.

RRO is very specific in that the President (Commodore) can not be a member of the Nominating Commitee. Our Past Commodore, last year, is also a past PHRF Board Member and failed to file the required report. This after many requests by me. Furthermore, he orally claimed our Commodore was a member of the Nominating Commitee as well as others who later told me it was news to them.

This is why there were no Board Authorized nominees in June of 2005. In effect all the candidates in June of 2005 were write in candidates.

We have a long tradition of election monkey business in Washington State. The Secretary of State oversees elections and so does the Secretary of SSSS. I have pointed these things out to all that are interested. As far as I am concerned there is only a problem with the write-in candidate for Secretary and then that is only a problem if IRC is not implemented by our club this year. This what I mean by rule 14. There has been a collision. Is there damage to the Society? We do not know the answer to that yet. I am off course concerned that the BBS, which a current PHRF Directer, promised would be up prior to the election is still not operating. It takes very little technically to remedy that. Fuzzy Monkey was started by a photo journalist and for very little money per month can get it going.

Barry Carrol will have someone measuring for IRC in the Pacific Northwest prior to November. There is at least one SSSS vessel - Murrelet that will be measured.

Great Sail Yesterday. I really do not think my craft has a pointing problem.

[mighetto]

You are wrong Frank!

The first reason you were excluded from the bulletin board was of the lies you tell and the second was after having a brief telephone conversation with you I decided that a phone call to my lawyer was in order after hearing some of your thinly disguised or implied threats.

Sean

Sean, I am not the kind that makes threats, thin or otherwise. It is do or do not. Are you saying that you did not chat with a PHRF officer prior to deciding to shut the board down even after I told you I would not post to it. Were you aware that there had been a vote to kick me out of the club while I was in the Galapagos?

One of the most interesting things about the BB is that its moderator had done a wonderful job in keeping my "lies" toned down. AFAIK, I was never excluded from posting. Sean, I do wish folks would stop saying I lie. I do not do so. We have different opinions. Thats all. We chatted for over an hour on the phone. I suppose that is brief. The BB was an important and recognized asset of the club. If it is not coming back up we need to file an insurance claim. I have been told you have saved all the content. So no damage.

For the record, the posts today are from individuals tied to Tripp Gal through the 69 report previously discussed on this thread. I am going to back down now. I do need to get some billable work done. Why not take a breather with me. Thanks.

[Reemul]

It is important to me be cause you are telling lies about the club that I care about. All that crap about RRO means nothing. The bylaws for SSSS lays out all the rules governing the society. You can quote anything you want, but it changes nothing. You are the only person on the planet that recognizes yourself as being secretary.
Also, as per being a mole for tripp_gal, I think for myself!! She does not dictate what I say or what I do. I respect her and her husband for being good human beings and for being two of the best sailors that I know.

[TP 52 Defender]

Frank there are measures for IRC avaliable in your area now - why do you continue to lie about these things?

Also why do you presume everyone posting today is a friend of Tripp Gal? I have never even met this person and you claim that I am acting as an agent - weak.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Reemul

It is important to me be cause you are telling lies about the club that I care about. All that crap about RRO means nothing. The bylaws for SSSS lays out all the rules governing the society. You can quote anything you want, but it changes nothing. You are the only person on the planet that recognizes yourself as being secretary.
Also, as per being a mole for tripp_gal, I think for myself!! She does not dictate what I say or what I do. I respect her and her husband for being good human beings and for being two of the best sailors that I know.

I care about the club as well. Reemel, we almost lost our ability to serve alchohol last year. You were part of that. I was very disappointed that you never came to a Board Meeting. It made me think you did not care about that issue or supported our Windseaker, Past PHRF Board Member, Past Commodor in shutting down the bar.

The Bylaws specifically put RRO revised in force. I do not need to be recognized as secretary. I do need sailors in the club who think for themselves and see that Tripp Gal style training is not helping young under age Corinthians to excell in the sport. I see her recruitment efforts with the under drinking age sailors as eating the young. The same with the Windseakers. Let the power boaters train the young potentials. Olympia Yacht Club and Seattle Yacht Club do ecellent jobs with this. So do the Tall Ship folks. Have old race machine operators get worker bees for their craft from the pool of older individuals who have already developed a suitable sailing style or do not wish to build a career in sailing.

[TP 52 Defender]

If Tripp Gal is training sailiing may be that you should apologise and sign up for a class or two.