TP52s

[mackid068]

Multihullism doesn't apply just to more than one hull. It also applies to rotating and canting masts, rigging, sails, technique, light weight, ... etc that have been perfected by the multihull enthusiests. (Mighetto)

ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! CANTING MASTS=Multihull"ism." Doubtful.
This is not towards mig, but a general statement.

[Mark 42]

But all that is good can be found on the Mac 26, and anything that
can't be found on the Mac 26 is evil.

[mighetto]

Only 5 TP52s in the TransPac - all rated differently. See what hull warp does to a one-design class! One run in 20 knot wind and you have a completely different hull form. Just a fun update regarding the Future of Yacht Design. For more see http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm

In June of 2005 progress was reported to Seahorse International by ORC in the development of a TP52 like box rule for a 26 footer. The 26 footer is to have a bowsprit and is to be crewed by four. Various clubs had apparently been contacted about creating a regatta circuit for the trailerable grand prix 26 foot ocean racers. At about the same time Farr International was dissolved.

Farr International had been owned by Bruce Farr and Russel Bowler and had had influence at the top at US Sailing. The influence of Farr International, in an IRC world, was demonstrated to have been lost by failure to win a bid against Swan to the NYYC about a month earlier. Farr International had previously supported the TP52 box rules and the de-emphasis of the Farr 40s. They had bet and worked strongly against IRC and with that moveable foils and movable ballast and looked forward to Farr 40 owners, and wealthy Corinthians, purchases of new and used TP52s.

Stagg Yachts Inc. now operates the Mumm 30, Farr 36, Farr 395 and Farr 40 interests of the former Farr International and ORC (Offshore Racing Congress) continues with the TP52 interests that lead Jim Teeters, the Director of Research at US Sailing to testify inappropriately in a drunken boater's case that involved a Mac26x. ORC is a spin off of US Sailing. The Mac26x is a movable water ballasted vessel with 5000 hulls and strong potential for offshore racing especially now that an articulating bow sprit has been developed for the M model. It is crewed by four when raced, is trailerable and transportable in cargo containers.



We can conclude that plans for what is now the ORC 26 foot ocean racer and the potential of the Mac26x (The Mac26x has been clocked at 17 MPH under sail) were reasons for Jim Teeters interest in testifying. We can also note that this product disparagement against the Mac26x is an actionable item under US law. There is nothing yet known about MacGregor Yachts intentions to recover damages. Production was halted likely owing to Jim Teeters involvement with the apparent support of US Sailing and concern by MacGregor Yachts business insurance carriers or other advisors. But it does appear that Farr Yachts and US Sailing have made organizational changes complementary to protecting themselves from such action. These actions being the dissolution of Farr International and the spinning off of ORC

[Matt Lingley]

Ha ha ha. Whatever!

[SailDesign]

Now, Miggy, where oh WHERE did you get the impression that the TP52 is a one-design class?
Please, please, do keep up.

Steve

[mackid068]

Oh, Miggheto, where have you been? We've missed you.

[usa2]

w o w

[mighetto]

The natural progression of a failed box design is to one design followed shortly there after by PHRF. Isn't it? Perhaps I have been schooled poorly. But I think not. Rationally would be a better description of my schooling.

The TP52s likely are the best example of this natural progression are they not? We are seeing the fastest movement to PHRF of any design class in history with these TP52s. I object mostly to the 26 foot designs based on them. Especially since those run counter to rational design and my beloved Mac26x

Certainly a 26 footer need not be a sinker. Why tolerate that given what has been done with other under 30 footers? It is the poorest of design. Large vessels, well perhaps watertight compartments are the best that can be done. But even here with water ballast you have to wonder. The Black Pearl sports the sexy testical of the TP52 and still has flotation that keeps her floating if swamped. Anyway, what gives with the TP52s?

They have evaportated from the West Coast of the USA. AFAIK there have been none rated for IRC. There are 10 listed as being built in the June Seahorse International. But with Farr International now history will they actually be launched? We know at least one old TP52 was converted to a swing keel last year. We also know that the design rules were changed this year obsoleting every TP52 that came before.

It did my heart poor to see that Kahn is praising them. But a rich guy can always recover. Is there a bright spot for the TP52s other than Kahn? Are not the SC70s and even MacGregor 65s better designs? Even the Cal 40s. I mean seriously, didn't you expect more than a handfull to be in the 100th year of the Transpac? It is just a few weeks away. Check it out http://www.transpacificyc.org/. I have a few tall ships to visit this week end. Please do comment on the TP52s. Is not a boat that heels more than 24 degrees, and is meant to do so, a poor design? I will try to defer my comments.

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Rationally would be a better description of my schooling.

As in small rations?

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

The Mac26x is a movable water ballasted vessel with 5000 hulls.

Wow, and I thought 4 hulls was a lot. What do you call that kind of boat, Frank?

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

It is ... transportable in cargo containers.

Now you're starting to make sense Frank. Put a bow on the container and you might get a little performance out of it.

That hiatus must have done you good Frank. How did you ever manage? And can you possibly see your way to going back?

[usa2]

TP 52's are not a failed box design. Where ever did you get that idea?

[astevo]

dear HWSNBN please go back to wherever it is you have been hiding since april.
do you think that any of us actually care about what you write here? You lost all credibility even before you arrived at boatdesign.net ,your 40 page trail of absurd stupidity in sailing anarchy ( http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums...topic=2833&hl= )did nothing to endear yourself to sailors around the globe. What makes you think that we are any different?
If you are seeking to discredit yourself in the eyes of the sailing world you have managed to do so.
now please just be quiet.

[mackid068]

Let's just leave it at this: Macgregor 26s are not good for bluewater and TP52s are. Simple enough.

[WildCherry]

Just go back to your trailer park. Brag to the other white trash that you have a yacht. But leave the rest of the community out of it.

[mackid068]

Please do not throw around insults. This is a boat design forum, not a place for socioeconomic commentary.