TP52s

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Skippy

Rolltacker, did you think SailDesign was posting to you? Note the post is addressed to "Migholetto".

Applies to both of us? Standard Usenet Bonehead Reply ignores the fact that fellows like SailDesign are actually refering newbes interested in sailboat design to this thread. We all be mates. I have tried to behave that way. Follow the Sydney Hobart. Oh does that need discussion! Is a computer driven canter more seaworthy than a standard canter? Is it really smart to convert water ballasted race boats and TP52s to canters?

Skippy, Rolltacker, keep warm and kick butt on the Duwamish. Watch the Catalina 36 tall rig and cheer her on. The crew are good fellows who have returned to racing after over 25 years of golf

[Skippy]

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON
1989

In a back corner of a well-groomed suburban park, a quiet, almost imperceptible hum increased slowly in both pitch and volume, rising at an increasing rate to a grating high-pitched screech, then suddenly EXPLODED with a blinding flash of light, as a large, humanoid piece of machinery materialized in mid-air, horizontal to the sidewalk, at an elevation of one or two meters. With a loud "CLANK!", the MacStinko 26X rowbot fell and landed on the concrete walkway, a few small parts falling off and clattering away. Apparently, the space-time coordinates had been slightly misprogrammed in the Time Transport Portal. Thanks to the rowbot's rotund shape and thick, dense cranial cover, however, most internal mechanisms remained nominally functional.

About an hour later, after ten or so unsuccessful attempts, the rowbot was finally able to right itself back onto its foot-pods and head toward town. However, on its way out of the park, it was confronted by a group of surly high-school boys on their way home from a rousing game of baseball.

Seeing its path blocked, the MacStinko 26X came to a stop and stood in front of the teenagers, swaying slowly from side to side due to a stabilization system that had been installed in the main body cavity, instead of the lower appendages where it should have been. In a moment of self-congradulatory vanity, Dr. Frankenghetto had inscribed his name on the breastplate of the MacStinko 26X for the benefit of posterity. Seeing this inscription, one of the boys exclaimed, "Hey look! It's Frankenghetto! Look guys! It's our new buddy Frankenghetto!"

Much enamored with their new friend, one of the not-quite-law-abiding youngsters asked Frankenghetto, "Are you a BOOB?" Of course, the MacStinko 26X is pre-programmed with information regarding its construction, including the Battery-Operated Optical Brain that controls its every action. Frankenghetto answered, "Yes." The boys laughed hysterically! After gleefully beating Frankenghetto on the head with their baseball bats, they went on their way, leaving him to pick himself up after tipping over again.

After thirty minutes or so, the rowbot managed to right himself again and continued toward his destination.

* * *

Through the waning years of the twentieth century, Frankenghetto attempted to sabotage the sailing industry any way he could, knowing all the while that his mission was not yet accomplished. He made an effort to infiltrate the sailing community, but unfortunately the MacStinko 26X was constructed with the less expensive Zipco neural network. This product was discovered in the year 2055 to be lacking some basic computational circuitry, that was required by law and necessary for such activities as walking upright without crashing into walls and other large objects. Needless to say, Zipco was bankrupt by 2056.

Once situated on his new motor-sailboat, Frankenghetto found himself unable to discern what to do with the long rope that was attached to a large piece of cloth suspended in the air by aluminum poles. He was equally perplexed by the horizontal stern-mounted stick that kept knocking him overboard whenever he tripped over it. He therefore offered to crew on other boats in the hopes of converting other sailors away from their trade.

Crews welcomed the rowbot with open arms, but soon found that he tended to get himself entangled by lines when attempting to tie knots in them, and tied them so tightly that it was difficult for the crew to extract him once ensnared. However, in its last-ditch attempt to prevent the rowbot from falling over, Rowbots-R-Us had installed a water-tank stabilization system in the MacStinko 26X. Due to the excessive weight of this system, the crews found Frankenghetto to function splendidly as ballast, or as the crew liked to call him, "rail iron".

The boats lost several races when Frankenghetto fell overboard due to the high center of gravity of the Rowbots-R-Us stabilization system. But they finally hit on the winning strategy of welding a hook to the top of the rowbot's BOOB and hanging him off the windward rail. Frankenghetto made many new friends and was instrumental in achieving an impressive series of regatta victories. Some competitors contested these victories, claiming that class rules prohibited the use of artificial power sources in a sailing race. But Frankenghetto was undeterred, and his crewmates appreciated the way the air spaces in his BOOB served as flotation when submerged.


Installment 1 of this report may be viewed here:
http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthr...5614#post35614

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

Standard Usenet Bonehead Reply ignores the fact that fellows like SailDesign are actually refering newbes interested in sailboat design to this thread.

Would you care to re-write that in Standard English, migho? Even Standard American would be better...

We all be mates. I have tried to behave that way.

Ummmmm, by telling me I was dead? By not believing a single word anyone has told you concerning stability and/or sailing issues? Doesn't sound very "matey" to me, mate.

Steve "why am I even bothering?....."

Had a quick read of the mugholes web site. So much misplaced effort.

Apparently the Mac26 is a form of trimaran due to its behaviour at anchor.

WTF???? I pity the new sailors coming upon that site hoping to learn something.

funniest read I've had in ages...

You all will sorry for mocking Frank, he is one of the most forward thinks sailors of his time. Frank stick with it, don’t let them get you down, don’t give up... lead them to the light.

Bad Budd Bob

What happened? The thread died.

Frankie, could you tell us a stoooory?

Geezzus Frank you certainly have one thing down. You don't ever learn. I wonder if your wife has ever thought about a shock collar? The fact that you can tell a story and actually somehow convince yourself of its truth is impressive. I see your story about being a member of PHRF has changed now you are going to be a member. I hope the mate that was sending the letter does before the annual meeting I think it will be a riot to see you exposed for the lying chump you are in real life up close and personal. It would also be funny to see your handicapper beat you like a 3-year old in K-mart too but he may actually more self-control than I would.

You might think your story telling is funny or you might be serious, one thing for sure you are an embarassment to yourself and your club. You have been malicious and deceitful and that is the only true unsportsman or ungentlemanly behaviour. Your deliberate attacks on people with basis in reality and without providing proof of your claims is character assisination and you are quite lucky that many of the people you have chosen to attack don't give a fig about what you think. Someday it is pretty certain that you will talk smack about someone who will care and you will find yourself with a pile of legal bills to contend with. It is pretty certain that eventually everyone meets a bigger and badder guy when they pick enough bar fights. You will find yours someday.

Frank ole boy did find his and he put his tail between his legs and ran. I remember on SA that several people invited the Murellet out to race on their dime all last season. He never showed up. TG offered a ride on her beaut but he never even replied back her. HEY TC, how come you didn't offer the rest of us a ride? And she even was cool enough to come to our club a couple months ago to see that the rest of us weren't maroons like Frank. I hope we convinced her. Oh yea, the only time that TG couldn't sail against da Frank was when she borke her arm. TG I love your boat even though I can't say the name right, will you marry me?

Anybody here sailing in Duwamish blizzard this weekend? I'm the mid twenties, slightly overweigh ape on Silverheels, a Synergy 1000. My name is Mike. You'll recognize me as I'll be the only one wearing a dry suit (my fowlies got stolen). Wouldn't mind putting faces with screen names.
Cheers!

why's this list growing?

http://www.transpac52.org/

[mighetto]

Rolltacker

Frank, I don't own a boat to participate in SSSS events, nor do I ask anything from the SSSS. Though I love what SSSS is and does and I will give financially when I become a member.

You carry on conversations with yourself (under different names) on the SSSS board. This is participation. You do not have to own a boat to be a member of SSSS. Many do not.

I have paid dues once in my life to SSSS. I cannot control how my mom acts because of the sailing I have done. She is a proud person, I am not, and I love her regardless. I have had many ill things said about me behind my back, and I'm fine with that, but someone like yourself who has been slandered directly to your face by so many should be worried.

You have to have a thick skin to be a public person. I would rather take it on the web than get swamped at sea.

I've never built a website that tells people that sailing a Mac 26 offshore is a safe idea. It is amazing how YOU can gain all this prospective from reading books and sales brochures instead of practical application.

Be amazed then. The Mac26x is a better offshore boat than TP52s. There is no doubt about that by the math. You have to realize that when I first started sailing at Santa Barbara, offshore was not a big deal. This was in the 1970s. Somehow in the 2000s, you can't take anything under 40 foot offshore with out being called Mr. Dangerous. The dangers really are less than freeway driving. Especially given modern reporting. Then there are the minitransats.

You have been taught by US Sailing that bigger is safer. It is not. Smaller is not only stronger when built for ocean use but you can not get bannana-ed (bow and stern on the tops of two different swells and the boat flexes in half.) (You should look at the recent Sidney Hobart)

Also very funny how you know me so intimately without ever having a face to face conversation with me.

There are many hoping and cheering for you. I am a fan. We have chatted face to face. You can not match race in our club with out being a public figure. You can't have a latte stand named America's Cup without becoming well known.

I will not be at Andrew Kerrs clinic, I'm sure he has valuable information, but it is designed for the novice racer. Too bad you'll miss it.

I will not. Bill is taping the entire thing. It doesn't look novice to me.

I have never asked for the "lime-lite" by the way. Others may point it at me, but I try to avoid it at all costs. Maybe that's why I don't come to SSSS meetings and am not a member.

You are welcome nonetheless. You know things. Hell start shining! All are welcome.

I have given back in other ways throughout my life and will continue to do so.

Do no harm. This should be the mantra.

"For God, Country, and the prize - rolltacker; this thread has always been
about you, self proclaimed leader of the sailing anarchists."

What??? This thread is about me??? You don't even know me and now I'm your nemesis??? I seldom go to Sailing Anarchy, nor do I claim any association with it, let alone a "leader", though I love how they worked you over like a stuffed pig. I love high perfomance boats. Yours is not one of them. It's a dog!

First, true anarchists have no association. Second, you do harm by describing a revolutionary sailboat as a dog. Your training and style of sailing may not be suited for the Mac26x but 5000 owners are not wrong. These puppies are the future.

"How about putting some Bethwaite into your traing it and pulling out some of that Teeter Principle. "

I got Bethwaites book when I was 16, you were still in a bayliner! I'm not the kind of person to go quoting verses from his book and not know what it means. I don't know who Teeter is.

Jim Teeters is the former director of research at US Sailing. He is also the person likely responsible for the halt of production of the Mac26x in the US.

I do not appologize for favoring modern designs. Get this correct. Fixed fin craft and especially weighted fixed fin craft that when capsized will sink are an order of magnitude more dangerous than Mac26x vessels.

Good, modern designs are great, dont apologize. I have never owned a keelboat myself, so don't get the impression I love them. I don't oppose modern designs

What you are doing to your sailing career is harm by not staying dinghy trained and maintained. You will not be selected into P Kahn's school by sailing 11 meters. Nor will Larry, who is a friend of your mothers, take you onto BMW/Oarcle. It is your sailing career. Do with it as you want. But do those you train no harm. Telling them the Mac26x is a dog is harm. They likely are the best boat for training to ocean race available since Pink Cloud
You have come to think differently owing to your training. That training was mostly developed with Teeter Principles. I blame Teeters. Anyway, do yourself and the club that would like to have you back well this week end.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Dangerous

The Mac26x is a better offshore boat than TP52s.

The Mac is a better hot tub than the TP52. You could open the top of the ballast tank and put in a heater. Probly fits 4.

Originally Posted by Mr. Dangerous

These puppies are the future.

That's true, puppies are the future. Please don't hurt them Frank.

Originally Posted by Mr. Dangerous

Telling them the Mac26x is a dog is harm.

Hmm... I sense a theme here. Telling people the 26x is seaworthy offshore is harm.

[mighetto]

Telling people the 26x is seaworthy offshore is harm.

The boat will take it. The question is will the crew. Remember that seaworthiness is a function of boat and crew. Crew can make an otherwise unsuitable TP52 race boat worthy of ocean crossing. Larger does not mean more safety on the highways and it doesn't on the water either.

The current day ETAP 26i is marketed as a "rough and ready" blue water cruiser. She is about 1 foot longer at the water line and 1,000 lbs heavier than an X. The offshore pocket cruiser potential of the Mac26x was recognized as early as 1997 by Offshore Magazine and continues to exceed expectations.

Here is the important point. Most US Sailing accredited schools can not teach you how to sail a Mac26x. What the curriculum teaches you today is that you need a bigger boat for ocean use. A 40 footer like a Cal 40 isn't big enough even. You need something about ... well about TP52 size. Such Bravo Sierra.

It can take 6 years for folks to figure out a revolutionary design. Teaching the new-to-sailing that their craft is a POS before waiting for the learning curve does harm. It is better to teach them to use a GPS and let them alone to self train until the design gets figured out. Possibly Tasar lessons will be of benefit. Both MacKee and Perry have told me that. But you get negative value from US Sailing accredited schools today. All of them should be avoided. There's is the way of the keel boater. Mac26x owners who sold there X vessels to get a "suitable" vessel have been harmed financially. The more the X is figgured out the higher the resale value. You will not find a single Mac26x being brokered in Puget Sound this month. Well perhaps you will but it is a rare bird. Folks have figgured out these boats have not only ocean going potential but are highly racable when raced as they were designed (IE move the water on and off the boat while racing).

The Boat Shows are in swing and guess what. The Swan being marketed as the New York Yacht Club boat is a keel centerboarder. This is my last transmission. I hear the call of the blue footed booby. Galapagos bound.

Originally Posted by mighetto

This is my last transmission. I hear the call of the blue footed booby. Galapagos bound.

Well thank god for that. I must say though that your final transmission is a nice little summary of some of your most stupid ideas. Thanks for keeping it short! When you get back, do let us know how many Mac26x's you see anchored there in the Galapagos. Should be plenty considering what great offshore cruisers they are.

[K4s]

A 26 foot powerboat with floodable bilges just sank here in Taupo,blowing 20-25knts with about 1 metre waves,all passengers ferried to shore on a 26 foot trailer yacht.Yacht is one of those unsafe ones with large lead bulb hanging from a long narrow centreboard,seemed to handle both conditions and rescue ok(this is my boat).Should mention the fact that the sinker was/is the only mac26 in this area;by the way all 23 trailer boats had a supremely enjoyable race and all survived these not overly extreme conditions with no damage,kinda makes ya think.
K4s
Ps..Owner of the mac said he couldnt stop taking water over the stern when running downwind,perhaps the engine hanging there had something to do with this,anyway it is now for sale and he is the new owner of a catalina seven.
To sum it up his comments where interesting with regard to this site;"Im happy now Ive got a boat designed to sail first and motor second,not a powerboat with a mast as an after thought,never never again,mac26 best of both worlds,********"
K4s