TP52s

Andrew Mason-

Please do not let Frank ruin your website. He will. Delete his account now.

Frank-

Everyone that knows you; knows that you suffer from a bit of a drinking problem. You should go to bed tonight because you really are embarassing yourself.

[DGreenwood]

Doohhh! Frank
Imagine the luck. Getting an easy to remember student number like that. Or is that because of another one of your "in with the big guys" connections?

[DGreenwood]

Hmmmmm I wonder if "Franks Friend" lives in the same body as Frank?

[Matt Lingley]

Quote Mighetto;
"This is a generational thing. Us F-ers (50+ year olds) have come to distrust crew that are under 25 or 30. Part of the reason for that is that their parents have raised them to think they should get a trophy in every thing they do. This translates into missing winch handles, GPS units, etc, IE trophies. Usually the trophies are perpetual. In otherwords they mysteriously return to the race boat over time. But there are other problems. Trophy kids expect their captains to cart them around like their parents did to socker practice. They don't expect to have to pay to join clubs but instead expect their captains to pay for them like their parents would do. I am focusing on the negatives. There isn't a winlee around that will not put up with a Trophy kid. The other term used is Echo Boomer. I don't see much captain potential in them. Hopefully I have this wrong. They make good meat. Rail meat."

Yeah, Yet more stuff you dont know. The two skippers of the two boats i race on are both over 50 or close to it and if I offer to buy a round of beers after a race they rarely let me and buy them themselves. I dont take trophies home, unless I win one racing my own boat, no way would I be pathetic enough to steal gear off any boat I sailed on. I Bike 10 miles to go racing unless I get offered a lift. Also I am no rail meat, I do bow, trimming, tactics sometimes even nav on these boats. I have also skippered many times cruising on boats over 20', and dingy raced for most of my life. By the way, I'm 19, and I've yet to meet a single person of a similar age to me that acts like your 'Trophy Kid' stereotype, don't insult all the young people who love this sport.

Oh, and Grow up yourself and learn somthing.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Andrew Mason

Frank

I noticed that you signed up to the Maxsurf Academic web site on the 28th of december.

The site is intended for valid students only. Can you let me know just what course in yacht design or naval architecture you are studying at "City University"? Your student number 12345678 seems a bit unusual too.

Normally I would just delete your login, but I'll let it stand in this case. Hopefully you'll do the world a favour and learn something about yacht design from it.

Andrew

Hi Andrew. City University is a large private university where I served as a professor and department chair. Many of the folks that worked for me in my consulting practice also worked for me at City University. We were one of the first to get an accredited distance learning program up and going, mostly for the military. It was a great gig. At the time the entire operation was controlled from Bellevue Washington so the job took me all over the world. These days you need a doctorate to get a gig like that. Anyway I do appreciate the login and intend to take advantage of it. A new years resolution. Andrew has a download that deals with stability issues. Just the thing for a hobby buisiness involving boat design.

Happy New Year All.

Party at Boston Harbor starting at noon. See you on the water.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Matt Lingley

Quote Mighetto;
"This is a generational thing. Us F-ers (50+ year olds) have come to distrust crew that are under 25 or 30. Part of the reason for that is that their parents have raised them to think they should get a trophy in every thing they do. This translates into missing winch handles, GPS units, etc, IE trophies. Usually the trophies are perpetual. In otherwords they mysteriously return to the race boat over time. But there are other problems. Trophy kids expect their captains to cart them around like their parents did to socker practice. They don't expect to have to pay to join clubs but instead expect their captains to pay for them like their parents would do. I am focusing on the negatives. There isn't a winlee around that will not put up with a Trophy kid. The other term used is Echo Boomer. I don't see much captain potential in them. Hopefully I have this wrong. They make good meat. Rail meat."

Yeah, Yet more stuff you dont know. The two skippers of the two boats i race on are both over 50 or close to it and if I offer to buy a round of beers after a race they rarely let me and buy them themselves. I dont take trophies home, unless I win one racing my own boat, no way would I be pathetic enough to steal gear off any boat I sailed on. I Bike 10 miles to go racing unless I get offered a lift. Also I am no rail meat, I do bow, trimming, tactics sometimes even nav on these boats. I have also skippered many times cruising on boats over 20', and dingy raced for most of my life. By the way, I'm 19, and I've yet to meet a single person of a similar age to me that acts like your 'Trophy Kid' stereotype, don't insult all the young people who love this sport.

Oh, and Grow up yourself and learn something.

Matt, welcome to boatdesign.net. Trophy Kid is not a term appropriatly applied to young adults on your side of the pond. Consider me an old fart and consider this



I take a lot of funning. Anyway I don't blame the trophy kids. I blame their parants. In the US, the race boat captains will have crew empty pockets, stow clothing and leave every personal item ashore. This in the name of weight reduction but also to make post race inventory less burdomsome and trophy taking more difficult. The cruiser racer is also stripped of loose items which are returned to the boat when race season is over. Captains do not discuss these procedures but they come to understand in short order after a few races. The saying - perhaps it fell overboard - is kind of a mantra. Anyway, take all this lightly. The golf clubs see the same kind of thing.

There was a proposal to require crew to be members of a club prior to race day which I think was a response to trophy taking. We all thought that a very bad idea because it would limit all the boats in taking on a new crew member from the coffee shop, church, golf club, or bar that introduced themselfs and asked to participate.

Apparently, I will not be lifting a rudder in the Island Series races. The eddies of trouble Sailing Anarchist Trophy Kids, likely under the spell of Tripp Gal, were sturring up have died down and that is the result.

Frank what are you talking about? The Island series ended December 11. Do I need to remind you of your pathetic results. Just in case, here you go.

http://www.ssssclub.com/islndser.htm

If you were trying to say something else, hire someone to write for you. Your poor writing skills are showing both here and in your work.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by What?

Frank what are you talking about? The Island series ended December 11. Do I need to remind you of your pathetic results. Just in case, here you go.

http://www.ssssclub.com/islndser.htm

If you were trying to say something else, hire someone to write for you. Your poor writing skills are showing both here and in your work.

Argh, why did I buy my wife a computer. Oh yea, so she could write for me.

I can never get too much good news, and today the happy tidings just don't stop. Inlet series. January 22, 2005. Breakfast at 0800. A fellow like Matt could fly in, introduce himself at the breakfast and be sailing on a race boat more serious than mine at the 10 AM gun. Damn fine results for my pathetic boat in the Island series. It was expected that I would be last. I just love not being last in fleet!

Lets use my poor writing skills (must be a reference to meeting minutes because standards for writing in my club's news letter are the standards traditionally expected for a sailor - don't you just love my club - there are reasons it grows each year) - anyway let me use my poor writing skills to explain what is happening for 2005.

To support canting keels, PHRF-NW will eventually have to support retractable foils of all kinds. This is owing to the protests already being drafted by the WinLees. The notion of keeping the canters out of PHRF is laughable but here is what is likely to be proposed:

Because a canter can sail over shallows not feasable for a similar fixed draft vessel, it has an unfair advantage.

The same unfair advantage a centerboarder has. I bring this up by way of showing how a rising tide lifts all American Sailors. There is big money and big boys and A listers - even from the east-is-least coast - with vested interests in the Canters. Vested interests so huge that they in effect obsoleted the TP52s, put Teeters out to pasture, and put movable ballasted vessels of all kinds into the lime light.

I will be a PHRF member by the meeting at the Seattle Yacht Club on the 23 of January. All members are welcome apparently and since a friend with an Ericson 38 has business for the meeting, I think I will sign up for the lunch. It is nice to be wanted.

[Andrew Mason]

Frank

We don't have anything on the site that covers stability theory, the tutorials mainly focus on the functioning of the software and the technical papers tend to be on esoteric subjects such as the complexities of stability criteria implementation.

If you want to learn more on the subject of yacht stability, I suggest the book you should read first is "Seaworthiness-the Forgotten Factor" by Marchaj.

[DGreenwood]

Matt Lingley
Good on ya'
Frank is NOT representative of the sailors here, and his image of young sailors here is part of his twisted world..
In fact where ever you are, whoever you are, whatever this loser says, ignore it. He does not not speak for me or anybody else that matters in this country or any others.
He has made clear the real danger in giving whack jobs like him a soapbox.
GO AWAY Frank and STOP insulting people in the name of organizations that you do not represent.

[K4s]

[quote=mighetto]Bla, bla, bla - still no substance.

and yet readers. It is all about views. A year from now readers will not remember me. They will think of an idea that I planted and make it their own. Then we will progress as a sailing nation. I am doing the best I can now. It is going to take some time. I know that.



Is this a God complex or what? This could be getting dangerous . I hope F doesnt own guns, Perhaps it really is time to introduce some censorship,something of which I am NOT a fan,but this is just becoming a little to scarey!!!!!!!!!!!!!
k4s

[Matt Lingley]

DGreenwood; Dont worry, there is no way I would take him seriosly. I've met sailors from all over the world and barring the percentage of arses there is anywhere, sailing people are pretty much the same all over. Like you say Frank has insulted almost everybody in the sailing world one way or another; anyone who sails a finn keeled boat (which covers just about every racing keel boat there is), any designer that isn't Mac Gregor or Bethwaite (and frankly he insults Bethwaite by the way he has wrongly interpreted his book), any US sailor under the age of 25, all other Mac 26 X owners by owning one himself, most members of SA, many members of this forum, all members of his home club....the list could go on.

Frank, Please would you just sit up and realise that you know very little about sailing, less about sailboat racing and absolutely nothing about design.

[DGreenwood]

So Andrew
It turns out that Frank was in with the Big Boys after all.
Imagine...and I doubted him. Geez what was I thinking?

Originally Posted by mighetto

I take a lot of funning.

No you don't Frankie. You don't take "funning". You take a lot of crap. You stand there grinning while a lot of really mean jokes are made at your expense. In every forum you've participated there has come a time when people realize they genuinely hate you and don't care whether you may be hurt by their humor or not. This forum has reached that point and you still come back for more, yet again. You are pathetic.

Don't change for their sakes. But do let us know where you will be going next.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Face it Frankie

No you don't Frankie. You don't take "funning". You take a lot of crap. You stand there grinning while a lot of really mean jokes are made at your expense. In every forum you've participated there has come a time when people realize they genuinely hate you and don't care whether you may be hurt by their humor or not. This forum has reached that point and you still come back for more, yet again. You are pathetic.

Don't change for their sakes. But do let us know where you will be going next.

Face it,

We have a very accomplished sailor in my club. He sails a Ranger 23. He signs most email and posts with the tag line:

BE THE BALL

I didn't understand the tag line until Mike won the Island Series last month in Arr23. He sailed in spinnaker class, solo, and messed up every start. But he sailed hard in every race and made fewer mistakes than the competition. The win got the proper synapse fired.

What being the ball means to me is that you get kicked around. However, you are in every play and eventually all players understand that the game is not played properly without you and your POS. Eventually you may win and prove something. Hats off to Mike. He proved something.

I intend to be like Mike. Call three times and like Betelgeuse, I will return. Other American sailors should follow in my place, just as I follow Mike. Name shrubs after us. - something prickly and hard to eradicate - We indend to master our crafts and command them like Mike on Arr23. You will find me on the SSSS Club board in Late Junuary but also here. There is much to learn.

Frank L. Mighetto
Be Like Mike, Arrgh 23
Great New Years Party! Let Fly for 2005