TP52s

[mighetto]

Skippy

You don't believe that? It's true. People have often wondered who the originator of this thread is, whether he works for MacGregor Yachts as a publicity stunt.

I represent MacGregor Yachts in the same way a dealer does, which is to say not at all. Seriously, in the US dealers, for legal reasons, usually do not represent the manufacturer or designer. You have to go to them to get the real skinny on your design. What it was intended for, its capabilities, how it should be sailed, its CE mark etc. So when the TP52 designer states that the TP52 is a buoy racer you should take note of that and possibly ignore your dealer's hype regarding TransPacific capabilities.

Some have even speculated that his employer is actually Farr Designs, engaged in some sort of reverse-psychology PR campaign.

I do hope Farr Designs comes around with the VO70. Here is the point to make. There is a Farr connection with virtually all of the TP52 boats. Often the designer use to work at Farr. Then of course there are the race organizers who are retired from plants that use to build Farr 40s or something Farr. Farr Design has way to much influence for a firm that was started in the 1980s. The notion that they are behind efforts to kill Farr 40 racing and force owners into TP52s is a well accepted notion in the US because conspiracy is always the most popular theory now in the US. Can you blame us. Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, Martha, Microsoft... It is the dilusional that ignore this reality.

But the real creator of this individual is Stinkerhead Designs, wholly owned subsidiary of the monopolistic conglomerate Ever-Rude Marine. It's all part of a devious divide-and-conquer strategem, calculated to discourage the sailing community and thwart the sailboat-building industry.

Yes stiinkpots vrs rag baggers. We are all boaters mate. Plus there has not been a successful model sailboat over say 35 foot built that is not also a good powerboat. It is time to give up the notion that sail boaters are superior to power boaters. Well perhaps not. I have mixed emotions on this. The Mac26x is a pure sailboat. No reviewer will say otherwise. She doesn't carry enough fuel to qualify as a motor sailor. The engine is auxiliary owing to that. I think of it as the first of many safety features on the boat. In an emergency you can get to help fast, regardless of favorable wind.

You see, in the year 2054, a new mutant disease devastated the world's vital corn and soybean crops, depended on throughout the globe for its supply of ethanol and biodiesel. The entire motorboat industry was brought to its knees by the resulting energy shortage. As luck would have it, that tragic event coincided closely with the invention of the stunningly innovative planing ground-effect hydrofoil skiff, known as the Smith-Bethwaite Tackable Proa.

OK, you know Dave. He just converted his Person to biodiesel. His brother just put a 100 hp on his Mac26x.

The TP 52000* was an overnight success, regularly achieving top speeds of 80 knots (60 knots for the family model). The Junior model, so popular for intramural racing amongst middle-schoolers, did only 50 knots, but this was designed in for safety purposes. There was a flourishing black market for a larger rig that brought the Junior's potential back up to a more reasonable 70 knots. Sales of motorboats everywhere plummeted to near zero.

You do know that Dave's brother sails ice-boats. These do reach speeds of 60 knots.

Burning with jealous rage, the demented motorboat designer in charge of Stinkerhead Designs' secretive Stinkworks development team, the infamous Dr. F. M. Frankenghetto, resolved to have his revenge. Stealing quietly into a disposal bin in back of the Rowbots-R-Us manufacturing plant, the evil Dr. Frankenghetto absconded with one copy of the MacStinko 26X sanitation and animal-control rowbot (The word "rowbot" is pronounced "ROW-bott", although the syllable "bot" is pronounced by some as "bote". X means it's a Terminator and "Mac" means it's the budget model). Unfortunately, the MacStinko 26X had to be discontinued, due to problems that it was much too slow and kept falling over on its side.

Wow, Robot. Rowbot Very KEWL. Break out the sweeps! We have a sailor with a sailor's wit. Huzzah Huzzah. The mac26x will float on her side and water can not enter the open hatches. She apparently can not turn turtle. Now tell me that isn't a great design. Furthermore, while on her side, she will naturally point her bow into the wind. We have been taught to use the windward rudder to right the boat. Having said this, there has never been a capsize of the Mac26x when fully ballasted and all knockdowns have been explained as operator error.

After having been judged unsafe, all known copies of the MacStinko 26X rowbot were destroyed to protect the public.

Yes - if the boat were unsafe there should be a recall. Think Man Think. These boats are safer than keelboats because of multihullism. When capsized (and in sufficient seas all boats can capsize) they float. Keel boats that sink when flooded will be recalled before Mac26x cruisers. The lubbers see this. It is only the US Sailing trained that risist. They will be assimulated.

However, one copy, the very one that Dr. Frankenghetto snatched out of a dumpster in the dead of night, was defective. In a critical phase of the construction process, the Battery-Operated Optical Brain (BOOB), which controlled the entire rowbot, was irrecoverably damaged. The rowbot was capable of moving around in a drunken, lurching sort of way, but had no ability to do anything useful whatsoever.

So I can no longer use the turm Boob to describe that bulb on the bottom of a string like foil on the TP52. So lets call it a testicle Does the ball hang low does it Teeter to and fro? Now why is a bulb keel sexy?

But Dr. Frankenghetto was not aware of this fact. Feverishly reprogramming the MacStinko 26X, and hurrying it into a Time Transport Portal, Dr. Frankenghetto sent his ghoulish machine back to the twentieth century......

You should be aware that sensors are placed on Mirrabella V so that if the crew is having to much fun the main will drop automatically. Perhaps something like that would make a TP52 more ocean worthy. Any fool can put up a sail. It takes a sailor to take it down. If dealers are not educating lubbers on when to reef then perhaps such automated robotics will be mandated.


* The designers of the TP 52000 attributed its success to pioneering work done half a century earlier on a popular weighted-keel Trans-Pacific racing yacht, laying the conceptual ground work for the TP 52000 (and making this report relevant to the current thread ).

Good Going, smilies for everyone. A worthy adversary. Sailors do not let friends use 5200, 52000 is another mater. 11 TP52s in 7 years is hardly popular.

If Mighetto was Bill Clinton's lawyer, Monica would be serving + 20 for rapeing Bill.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DGreenwood

You Guys!!! I warned you... Listen to yourself, this ******* has you tweaked...he's got you talking to yourself...Ignore...Ignore...Ignore or lose your cool.
He is an idiot- he is a demon...You cannot win an argument with someone that has nothing to lose..nothing to gain...no ego..no self... no reason to be right or wrong. His grandfather should have been sterilized for the sake of humanity. For Chrissake just ignore the douchbag and let's do other things.
I had hopes for the lot of you, but you are falling prey to the rantings of a complete loser. Come back to me my brothers and let us engage ourselves in that which is of value and will bring satisfaction in the end...let go of this wanker, he is auto-emoting, and verbally "cuffing the puppy" leave him to his self abuse and get on with progress.
You have much to gain by moving on.

Yes move on to the NYYC. See what they will be doing with the Swan One-Designs. Note how they now have rejected the ways of US Sailing, the ways of the fixed keels, the ways of bean town and IMS and are returning to their roots - the ways of the centerboarders. Go my brothers, follow your saviour. We will meet again because we go to the same place. A rizing tide lifts all American sailors.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Richard Petersen

If Mighetto was Bill Clinton's lawyer, Monica would be serving + 20 for rapeing Bill.

What? Hey if I were Monica's business consultant, I would negotiate a display of the presidue dress at the Clinton Museum. Who would not pay money to see the thing. Monica is a babe and a Linda Tripp Gal Supporter. This is all fun. Keep up the good work. I have to prepare some materials for a new hire. Chat with you probably tomorrow. If not Thursday.

Murrelet
casting off.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

Folks in RI and the surrounding states are taken off the A lists for speaking out.

Frankie, baby, thanks for the laugh..... We are all on the A list here - it is just you who have been excluded.

Steve

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by SailDesign

Frankie, baby, thanks for the laugh..... We are all on the A list here - it is just you who have been excluded.

Steve

Thanks for the smilie. For clarification, the Clintons have vacationed on Block Island. Hence the connection. Monaca was not spotted. Block Island is a B list and rising community.

One of the great things about America is that you can not step on toes on the way up because the owners of those toes also have the arses you will be kissing on the way down. We have seen many fall from the A list recently. Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, Arther Andersen, Imclone/Martha, and now Teeters.

The Kiss Me Arse Syndicate recommends viewing Francis Ford Coppala's film Wind, which is the true story of the 1987 America's Cup. This film took him off the A list. It accurately portrayed the way the east-is-the-least-for sailors A listers are. To see a similar story unfold on the west coast with the Seattle One World Syndicate and its cheating just a few years ago was depressing. West is best B listers like Paul Allan and Larry Ellison do not like that. In America, our sport is viewed as snobby, where owners make up rules for others that they do not follow themselves. It is not viewed as a sport where competency and skill count. Coutts really needs to be involved in the 2007 AC. He is the equavalent of T Woods in golf to our sport. An indication that hard work rather than connections and patronage with the east-coast A listers counts.

Good Joke eh?

It is time to show how things are changing. In San Diego, a surf shop owner's wife earned more votes as a write in candidate than the winner of the mayor's election. My family in San Diego has been following this story for some time. Only by legal manuvering did the B lister fail to take office. Note to Kiss Me Arse Syndicate - the B crew is ready for deployment in San Diego.

[DGreenwood]

OOOHH KAAAYYY...and now a word from our resident loony who will completely confuse you with some "stream of consciousness" claptrap from his alledged mind.

Oh Pleeeease Frank there are some good sites out there for you to spew that garbage just not here OK

Here is one you might try.. I just found it for you...
http://www.lunaticfringe.com/

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DGreenwood

OOOHH KAAAYYY...and now a word from our resident loony who will completely confuse you with some "stream of consciousness" claptrap from his alledged mind.

Oh Pleeeease Frank there are some good sites out there for you to spew that garbage just not here OK

Here is one you might try.. I just found it for you...
http://www.lunaticfringe.com/

Exactly what they said about the other Francis.

I am "good at this" like he is because both of us FrancisStiens are able to convey the truth to the masses. When Francis Ford Coppala spoke at the IBM Chairman's retirement a few years ago he thanked the computing industry for providing tools that would allow film makers to more accurately portray the way things really are. The A east-are-leasters will train you that Wind is a 1992 Fictionalised story of the '87 America's Cup. They will say you are loony to think this is real sail boat racing. Well I am telling all that you can take that loony to the bank - eh? The delusions of adequacy in the design of the TP52 for Transpacific work need to stop. To many have apparently been "made offers they can not refuse" as in Godfather, another FC film.

Hey did you all know that Gregery Peck directed the film Dove? The book Dove is at Mystic Seaport. Apparently it has not been banned as fictionalized propaganda like Wind has. See that Peck portrays the R-23 as trans pacific and even a world circumnavigator. A TP23. I suspect that portrayal is want the east-are-leasters object to.

[mighetto]

13,000 views times 4 is 52,000 - the number of teeth in 1000 snakes. Or 500 of my avitars. Steve got me going with that A list business and Greansleaves rubbed do do in my face. Sorry about the snake bites. Thanks for reading my dribble and I promise not to bite again this year. Do view Wind and Dove if you haven't already.

[DGreenwood]

The word is "drivel" Frank. It means,--stupid or senseless talk.
Maybe there are a few synapses that are firing in order!

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DGreenwood

The word is "drivel" Frank. It means,--stupid or senseless talk.
Maybe there are a few synapses that are firing in order!

You are new to this thread. I will cut you some slack and not give my standard lecture on Internet spelling except to say that it is considered rude and arrogant to publically note spelling problems on any thread. Contact me or other poor spellers (and what great sailor is otherwize) off list with corrections of that nature. mighetto@eskimo.com

Nonetheless I meant to write dribble. I write dribble because of the Dribbly hull. This is a Bethewate hull form that planes. The advanced form is the Tasar and these plane up apparent wind. The Dribbly hull is the start of modern monohull boat design. We have chatted about it on other pages. Do read up and catch up. Future posts from you will then make more sense and appear less stupid. I would say that your posts so far have been drivel except we both know they have been flame. You got me once. I will not be aggravated by your posts a second time. But I might be persuaded by your arguments regarding TP52s. Can you tell us anything noteworthy about them? There is good in the design. No one is willing to point that out. Did TP52 Defender do such a poor job that no one else cares to try. I promise not to bite. What are the top 10 good things about the TP52. (rotating mast?, spoon transome? blunt bow? freeboard? heck even sexy bulb keel if you can tell me how that improves rather than compromises the design.)

[DGreenwood]

Sorry Frank I take that back....the part about the few properly firing synapses I mean.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

I will cut you some slack and not give my standard lecture on Internet spelling except to say that it is considered rude and arrogant to publically note spelling problems on any thread.

Au contraire, Franky - it is considered good form to point out others' mistakes in order to inform them of the proper order of things, as we have been trying to do with everything BUT your spelling over this whole misbegotten thread. I think Greenwood was merely trying to set you straight on one hing before proceeding to the next.

And BTW, I think "dribble" was entirely accurate...

Steve

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

The Dribbly hull is the start of modern monohull boat design. We have chatted about it on other pages. Do read up and catch up. Future posts from you will then make more sense and appear less stupid.

It is considered extremely rude and arrogant to make people look at web pages they have no interest in in order to catch you inside jokes.
Do please catch up, you will appear less stupid.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

Nonetheless I meant to write dribble.

That's good Frank, because you've been succeeding.

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

This is a Bethewate hull form that planes.

And his name is "Bethwaite", not "Bethewate".

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

The advanced form is the Tasar and these plane up apparent wind.

Frank, any boat that planes on a beam reach, or fast enough on a broad reach, is planing "up" the apparent wind.

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

Future posts from you will then make more sense and appear less stupid.

Frank, why don't you give him some pointers? Oh I'm sorry, you said LESS stupid.