TP52s

[mholguin]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Well far be it for me to dispense political advice above my pay grade. The Spanish navy would be better off teaching team building skills on a tall masted square rigger.

Well, that's called Juan Sebastián de Elcano... again, you should read a little bit more...

More later of course. Join in if you are a US citizen. If not, get your lawyer to speak for you or risk family wealth when the King of Spain sues you. Of course you are welcome to read. (note there is no smily; We are serious about taking the Americas Cup and America back from the know-nothings)

Don't worry, S.S.M. Don Juan Carlos de Borbòn, will spend more money in suing me than he might get from suing me. And believe me, right now freedom of speech is something I have granted under many constitutions. Your political view of the world is more wrong (if that could ever be a possibility) than your view of sailboat design. Your senseless diatribe is just good free entertainment.

Let's summarize your points:

Mac 26 is a good design.

To justify that, you have elaborated a web of inexplicable ramifications of nonsense about a premier racing design, conspiracy theories, historical inaccuracies, and general senseless talk.

In a nutshell, go back to your medication. Better not, keep out of it and keep writing. Again, this is good free entertainment, like Seinfeld or Frasier re-runs...

[Mark 42]

The United States is not a democracy.

Two Wolves and a Sheep voting on what's for dinner... that's Democracy.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Mark 42

The United States is not a democracy.

Originally Posted by Mark 42

The United States is not a democracy.

Good Morning

The USA is a republic. But this should not dissuade citizens from voting. Think about a mob who finds a messenger, an opinion maker, even yes an entertainer but primarily a blogging patriot who recognizes that the boat designing TP52 committee doesn't have its ducks in a row. (oh sorry about the duck dodge last night, I was stuck in Olympia waiting for a jump. By the time I got to lake union there wasn't enough wind to inspire. Looked like a great party was forming nonetheless and I did appreciate the award, which hottie brought home for me.)

Mob rule means that more productive members of a group are voted off the island by those who have not risen to a level they might have wanted. We do not all grow up to be the men we might want to be. So for example, a truth speaker, such as myself. who is candid about the way things are with TP52s is likely to be voted off. Some say that happened to me on Sailing Anarchy. If so it happened long after I stopped posting there.

The best example of mob rule and the corruption it creates, is not the TP52 designers and owners, though that is a great one. It rather is Enron, whoes management implemented a 360 degree evaluation policy where employees rated each other and the bottom 10 percent lost their jobs. This same policy was being implemented at Microsoft prior to the Enron house of cards coming down. What happens in that kind of a system is employees bribing each other and agreeing to rate the honest, seeing, individuals poorly, so they will be kicked out of the organization. A mob - mobster - culture of corruption is the result. It is sometimes called an owner society or owner driver in the sailing world.

We in the USA are desperate to eliminate that kind of "democracy". As a final check and balance - which goes beyond notions of a Republic - we unlike those in Valincia Spain can own guns.

Again - tell me this isn't fun

Frank L. Mighetto
US Patriot

[mighetto]

Well, that's called Juan Sebastián de Elcano... again, you should read a little bit more...

I missed her when she came to San Francisco. Any chance she will show at the International Boat Show in Genoa Italy? I will there on October 13th. Nice You Tube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIn-O7piw4Q&NR=1

Don't worry, S.S.M. Don Juan Carlos de Borbòn, will spend more money in suing me than he might get from suing me. And believe me, right now freedom of speech is something I have granted under many constitutions.

Well speak up then. My perception is that only barristers can speak in your country. Lets be real clear of my intentions. I would much rather chat boat design and compare the relative merits of water ballasted vessels or even sensible designs that recognize value in ballast that does more than hang like a testicle from a vessel we all prefer to call a she. The vessels of the great age of sail all used forms of movable ballast. If not water or oil in barrels then tortuous or rock. The best designs minimized the need for crew. Eventually iron jennies (motors) were used for ballast. It was all quite sensible until fools started in to make sailing the sport of Juan Carlos. I believe the man was limited by birth from what he might have been had he been born as you and I. He married well of course, an Olympic sailing champion. I note she has never been reported as setting foot on a TP52.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sailsmall

This is awfully confusing. We have SA calling the TP52 the premier big boat, and Frank calling them a complete ripoff and a farce. Maybe if Frank would cite some facts and figures (as opposed to wild theories and incomprehensible associations) he might earn a little credibility. But perhaps that has been suggested already...

Frank, try starting with this picture. What do we see here that would indicate this is the start of anything other than a premier keel-boat race?

James Boyd in the August Sail Magazine states:

The original Transpac 52 was conceived as an ideal vehicle for the great downwind race of that name, Los Angeles to Honolulu. But despite successful examples on the Pacific Coast, the feet has had its strongest reception in Europe, where it has been patronized by the king of Spain and reconceived for day racing and short coastal races in the region's predominately light breeze. Thus the Transpac 52 became the TP52... The birthright and the destiny don't match up

Does anyone really disagree with the premise? The premise is that TP52s are day sailers not even in the same league as a Costa Mesa Build. Costa Mesa brought the world Columbias, Cals, and the Macgregors. Every last one of them true ocean sailboats.

[mholguin]

Originally Posted by mighetto

[b]Well speak up then. My perception is that only barristers can speak in your country. Lets be real ...

Hum... And what exactly you know from MY country?

Originally Posted by mighetto

[b]... It was all quite sensible until fools started in to make sailing the sport of Juan Carlos. I believe the man was limited by birth from what he might have been had he been born as you and I. He married well of course, an Olympic sailing champion. I note she has never been reported as setting foot on a TP52.

Sailing became an elitist sport, shortly after power vessels were used for fishing and cargo carrying. That happened well before even Juan Carlos was born. How come J.C. is know you favorite culprit, and not those fellows in the SSSS? Could it be you are positive J.C. won't read your posts, and hence not reply back?

Now, seriously, I'm beginning to think you actually believe all the crap you are writing.. if that's the case, then is not funny anymore, somebody close to you must arrange an intervention and get you medicated. Your brain obviously operates in a set of frequencies unknown in this part of the universe...

[Mark 42]

Originally Posted by mholguin

...somebody close to you must arrange an intervention and get you medicated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ-XvvzI

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by mholguin

Hum... And what exactly you know from MY country?

Now, seriously, I'm beginning to think you actually believe all the crap you are writing.. if that's the case, then is not funny anymore, somebody close to you must arrange an intervention and get you medicated. Your brain obviously operates in a set of frequencies unknown in this part of the universe...

I do I do I do believe, and I am not a cowardly lion. I agree with talk show hosts who recognize that the US is already in a quiet civil war that threatens the nation with dis-union. The issue really is the same faced by Lincoln. It was called in his time an issue of states rights until all could recognize it was really an issue of property owner's rights and the main property of concern was slaves. It is the same today.

It is about property rights and the issue of concern is property in the form of shares in multi-national corporations who's executives in the name of fiduciary duty send men with hearts of darkness like Abramoff to corrupt otherwise honest government officials into tax breaks benefiting shareholders. The end result is bridges that fail because the revenue to keep the infrastructure has not been collected. It is an easy thing to understand. Share holders care not about the law of any country. They do not benefit from infrastructure unless they live where the infrastructure is maintained.

The drug I am on is brilliance. I have even been told so - today as a mater of fact. But it is not always so. Nonetheless Spain does not deserve the America's cup. Some multi-national arrangement has been made similar to arrangements outside the sport which ignore the rules on paper for rules made by the connected - and you should think connected like a mobster and al Quaida. Prove that the King of Spain is not connected. It appears so. The ducks are in a row. We now use them to draw the lines of a new vessel eh?

If we who sail on small vessels were the only ones to see that would be one thing. The minute men blogging patriots are also high on this drug.

[DLackey]

Originally Posted by mighetto

The drug I am on is brilliance. I have even been told so - today as a mater of fact.

But Frank, it doesn't count when it's your mom telling you that.

[Mark 42]

"He is a self-made man and worships his creator."
- John Bright

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DLackey

But Frank, it doesn't count when it's your mom telling you that.

Hey, I hope you voted in the primary today. See you at the barbecue Wednesday night OYC. Lets chat about Larry Ellison and the ACC. I will pass the word on to mom.

Frank L. Mighetto

[Jimbo1490]

The end result is bridges that fail because the revenue to keep the infrastructure has not been collected. It is an easy thing to understand.

Road and bridge construction/maintenance is paid for by fuel taxes. Those accounts had surpluses for many years but they were misappropriated to uses other than roads and bridges. The more fuel we use, the more this revenue is collected.

Jimbo

[Mark 42]

Structures don't always behave according to predictions.

The bridge might have been inspected and deemed safe.

Hindsight 20/20.

When you think of how many bridges there are in the U.S., the
safety record is quite good.

Another bridge will eventually collapse, no matter what we do.
That's just a fact of life. Failures occur.