TP52s

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by mholguin

How wrong I was! I alway thought upwind legs were the real tactical legs of a race!

Gentlemen never sail to weather - its a book, a good one. Lets not use the word wrong lets rather use the word stupid. "upwind legs were the real stupid legs of a race."

Lets first recognize that upwind work in normal and low steady wind is the easiest not hardest point of sail. This is owing to the boats forward motion which creates additional wind meaning power that can be used for sailing. Hence practicing upwind work in normal low and steady wind is the least valuable form of practice. It has always been so. Even before the now well recognized failed experimentation with weighted fixed and thin foils.

On the downwind and reaching points of sail there is real seamenship. The expression - anyone can put up a sail but it takes a real sailor to bring a sail in - applies. On big boats like TP52s - crews often do not get trained in reducing sail. There is the incorrect notion that the sail stays up until "God takes it down". We will never be a great sailing nation again until that kind of notion is purged from mind. In PHRF we have even required that reef points be put into sails. It is so odd that anyone would design a sail otherwise. Is this not seeable?

Frank L. Mighetto
member US Sailing.

[DGreenwood]

I guess I am not so startled by the meaningless nature of these ramblings but, as when one has spent time around cattle or small babies, it is astonishing in that the quantity of excrement produced seems to belie the capacity of the creature?
Where do you come up with this stuff Frank?

[DLackey]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Buc, Why not join me.

Because the won't let Buc in. Only family members are allowed to visit you in Western State Mental Hospitol.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by DGreenwood

I guess I am not so startled by the meaningless nature of these ramblings but, as when one has spent time around cattle or small babies, it is astonishing in that the quantity of excrement produced seems to belie the capacity of the creature?
Where do you come up with this stuff Frank?

They couldn't find cattle to feed the spent grain from the Olympia brewery so they started feeding it to young sailors and designers back in 1973. Just one of the lucky I suppose Did you want to play cow pie bingo? No sorry the brewery is now closed. But thar be another. Your answer to the question, where do I come up with this stuff. Bingo

Skuller's India Pale Ale - Skaget River, unofficial beer of the US America Cup boats. May it bring Victory to Larry and the cup back to the USA. May more from the east float or bloat their way to the west coast. Nice move Storm Trysail Club. The Barn Door is open for you. Good to see you cows come home. Nice to see New York opening its eyes. Welcome to the correct side of the country for sailing. And for boat building.

Greenwood. Its been about designs from Costa Mesa California since the 60s in the USA. Those who think otherwise have no bellies for this design business. The area claimed by South Sound Sailing Society members extends from Everett to the Columbia River. In this area the greatest sailboat design and construction in the nation occurs owing to the little company named Boeing, which started in a boat house building float planes. Composites built for aircraft and our hydroplanes are now applied to sailboat building. You breath the air of SSSS and you get the stuff. Come Greenwood, come breath.

I'll be running a booth at the next boat show. Next Saturday (the 8th of march - the eyes of march are on us) near where we hoist the scullers flag in honor of the vessels built for Larry. Everret Boat show.

For SSSS, country and the prize
Go BMW Oracle

[mholguin]

More new discoveries!

Lets first recognize that upwind work in normal and low steady wind is the easiest not hardest point of sail. This is owing to the boats forward motion which creates additional wind meaning power that can be used for sailing. Hence practicing upwind work in normal low and steady wind is the least valuable form of practice. It has always been so. Even before the now well recognized failed experimentation with weighted fixed and thin foils.

So then the physics I thought I learned is also wrong... I use to think that it is in the reaching legs where the vector of forward motion combines with the vector of wind increasing apparent wind to a theoretical max, hence increasing your "potential" forward speed.

Humm I wonder why those experimental speed machines are always reaching vessels, if they could be "easier" and faster beating to weather...

[TP 52 Defender]

He’s still going ……..

The downwind sail training must be really bad in the US (especially the TP 52’s) when boats like Blue Yankee, Titian, Bon Bon, Samba Pa Ti (and others) all get beat by a little 45 footer. O wait that was a down wind race, the IRC winning boat used to own a TP 52 so once again Frank is WRONG! Did not see a single Mac 26 in the race results, wonder why?

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

He’s still going ……..

The downwind sail training must be really bad in the US (especially the TP 52’s) when boats like Blue Yankee, Titian, Bon Bon, Samba Pa Ti (and others) all get beat by a little 45 footer. O wait that was a down wind race, the IRC winning boat used to own a TP 52 so once again Frank is WRONG! Did not see a single Mac 26 in the race results, wonder why?

Defender, we thought you had given up beating on the dead horseTP52s. Note smiley. I have enough love of all boats to see there must be something of value in TP52s. What is it? Just because I think Olympic champions question their husbands who run TP52s doesn't mean they aren't good trainers. Just as Mac 26x sailboats are.

But lets see - that for me, TP52s are freak shows, much like when Ballmer or Gates shows up at an event. The reason folks go is to see the freak show.

Note smiley. Its a joke. Really good to have you back defender. What do you ride today?

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

He’s still going ……..

The downwind sail training must be really bad in the US (especially the TP 52’s) when boats like Blue Yankee, Titian, Bon Bon, Samba Pa Ti (and others) all get beat by a little 45 footer. O wait that was a down wind race, the IRC winning boat used to own a TP 52 so once again Frank is WRONG! Did not see a single Mac 26 in the race results, wonder why?

You are aware of what the Mac 65 two masted conversion did last season are you not. Just ask and you will get an ear full. We who own or have owned Mac 26 vessels have nothing left to prove. They are great race trainers. Farr superior to TP52s. Take your own poll. The best US sailors have owned Mac 26 vessels. You just can not go wrong with them as race trainers.

Now I get to tell what may be the greatest sailboat race prank of all time. A few off us SSSS members took sails in for measurement at a Seattle loft that I will not name because I so like the prank. A lot of the race game is played off the course.

So my syndicate manager (AKA hottie) goes to retrieve the 2,800 buck Geneo and can no longer find the sail maker, the loft, any sign of the loft, and the phone numbers to the loft has been disconnected. Toliva is but two days away. The entire operation has gone missing from the center of the universe.

I tell her its a prank. The gear hasn't been lost and we are likely to get it post race. But she calls police anyway. They blow it off, as is appropriate. Sail boaters are known for this kind of thing. But seriously, every sign of the loft is gone except that after a visit I did find some remnants of a sail manufacturer sticker.

Now Murrelet's race sails are of Canada making. Hottie is a historian who often does research and she somehow finds that our sail is in Anacortes, that famous town for boat building, and obviously new center of the sailboating universe. Seattle is now so power boat.

Anyway its a natural that we can only pick up the lost sail on Saturday and miss the Toliva.

Now you know why you do not see Mac26x vessels racing. The other racers are affraid.

Frank L. Mighetto
headed for Louisiana with sailing gear no boat (hint hint)

[mholguin]

Originally Posted by mholguin

More new discoveries!



So then the physics I thought I learned is also wrong... I use to think that it is in the reaching legs where the vector of forward motion combines with the vector of wind increasing apparent wind to a theoretical max, hence increasing your "potential" forward speed.

Humm I wonder why those experimental speed machines are always reaching vessels, if they could be "easier" and faster beating to weather...

Frank, don't just ignore me,... can you please enlighten me? It seems like whatever little I do know is wrong...

[TP 52 Defender]

“What do you ride today?”

Sold the last of my 14’s but not the 18 – still trying to figure out how get to Perth for the Worlds. Also some custom IRC stuff and the occasional 52 (though I miss them being here in the US).

[sailsmall]

You have said this before Frank.

Originally Posted by mighetto

The best US sailors have owned Mac 26 vessels.

Name a few.

[dougfrolich]

Larry, Curly, and Mo.

[DGreenwood]

The Butcher, The Baker and The Candlestick Maker

[sailsmall]

Frank Mighetto and several hundred of his closest imaginary friends.

[dumbass]

The best US sailors have owned Mac 26 vessels.

It's more like:

The best US sadists have owned Mac 26 vessels