TP52s

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by usa2

frank is someone paying you do post all this BS?

Yes of course - that must be it!
Frank is payed by Roger MacGregor!
Just like the rest of us are payed by the people behind the TP52s, the Bush Administration and these little fellas, that dance outside Franks home every night:

[DLackey]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Toliva Shole was beyond expectations
congrate to all who participated

You must be talking about everyone but you since...you know...you didn't actually participate.

Right?

[Buc]

No, but he bought the tee shirt.

[solrac]

thanks a lot guys for your interest, but I'm not interested in taking part on this fight between forum members, (qualified members, or not, just asked for some experienced advise on my dream design, which I'm trying to build up soon)

[TP 52 Defender]

"Trader, and the TP52s in general represent a culture of cheating ..."
And your lies are not to be tolerated. At no time did Trader attempt to cheat, she did miss check-ins but took her hit. Try and learn something you hack I will spell out some facts you still can’t seem to grasp:

- Farr international was a yacht broker that was attached to Farr yacht designs – neither went bankrupt
- A M26 does NOT have movable ballast or foils like modern race yacht (it’s foils move for towing)
- The TP 52 is the current GP race sailboat; they are crewed by the top sailors in the world who are the best in many classes of yacht around the globe
- Your knowledge of sailing is on par with that of a 1st year student at sailing school
- Jim Teeters did not go after McGragor yacht he was called in as an expert witness – this case had nothing to do with the TP52’s at all
- TP 52 are supported and excepted at all levels of the sport by all the governing bodies
- Your boat while being able to be raced is not a racing boat and from evidence posted here you are dangerous on the start and I would suspect also on the course
- Your knowledge of the RRS is shocking, also you can not start a rule 69 hearing (care to guess why)

To everyone else – sorry enough is enough. The railing on the owner and crew of Trader (who are friends) and falsely accusing them again of cheating is the final straw. This guy is a class A flake and needs to be called on his continuous lies and miss truths not only are they detrimental to the sport, slanderous at best, in many cases his advise is dangerous.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by usa2

frank is someone paying you do post all this BS?

No, not in cash. But I am serious about advancing my sailing career with board membership at US Sailing and SSSS. So there is an agenda that goes beyond righting any perceived wrong Jim Teeters and the TP52 malcontents may have done to MacGregor Yachts. I am a politician running for office.

This Bravo Sierra is not just mine however. I get fed, and some of it may be wrong. Keep me on my toes. I continue to verify. Fair enough truth seekers?

When I started the dialog, I perhaps thought all I would be offending would be a few TP52 owners. I now see that all big fixed finned race boat owners are offended. So be it, I am offended that only 4 of 38 on Larry's AC boat are US. The big race boat operators have let down not only the sport but also the nation by attracting young potentials that should be learning to operate the modern movable ballast designs and retractables.

Pay attention to PortGate. Note that the Washington State law makers are hitting Port of Seattle board members hard for lobygate issues. We do not operate the sport in a vacuum. These broader societal problems involving influence peddling run deep. I work to weed the sport of the secretive nature most now recognize as inappropriate in decent society. How can anyone view The VP as trustworthy when he didn't even inform the president about what has now become a week long embarrassment to the nation? How can anyone view cancellation of the McAllister Creek race with notification by email to only the "chosen" few - not Frank Mighetto as anything but a liability issue for the club. Fellows, there is so much work to do. Progress nonetheless is being made.

Frank L. Mighetto
Formerly of Arther Anderson

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Buc

No, but he bought the tee shirt.

The tee shirt depicts SSSS Balder. John DeMyres of Balder provided Murrelet's anchor light and accompanied Murrelet around Cape Scott. John a year later was recognized with the Arthur B. Hanson Rescue Medal. The rescue of a knocked unconcious crew member who went overboard during a race was made by quickly dropping sail and motoring in reverse. Had the usual training for man overboard drills been followed, involving a figure eight, the unfortunate MOB likely would have drowned as a life jacket was not worn under rain gear as John had hoped.



How could I not buy the tee shirt?

Murrelet was available for the kiss-me-arse game during the race and after. Morphine was the only boat that did a good job with it. A quick check of the roster did NOT show JN to be an SSSS boat. Unless her owner joined in the last week, she may have been clubless and must be disqualified under the rules for Toliva Shoal and the series.

One of the great things about the Southern Sound Series is that it transends the Bravo Sierra of PHRF when racing in cruising class. You do not need a club membership to race the southern sound series races in cruising class. I believe this policy great for growing the sport and for those who will never race PHRF because of Sudie Parker or someone like her. John DeMyres has his own issues with the way rating is done at PHRF NW. He protested his rating, last year, was appauled that his justification materials were not reviewed more than 15 minutes prior to adjudication, and I think he may have had something to do with the overall rating changes about to happen at PHRF-NW. This change will involve measuring every sail in the fleet. Cheaters have been warned. Progress is being made.

Frank L. Mighetto

[RHough]

Originally Posted by mighetto

He protested his rating, last year, was appauled that his justification materials were not reviewed more than 15 minutes prior to adjudication, and I think he may have had something to do with the overall rating changes about to happen at PHRF-NW. This change will involve measuring every sail in the fleet. Cheaters have been warned.

Frank L. Mighetto

Too funny ... Performance Handicap protests ...

Sailor: "Yo' honourable, I protest my handicap because ... bla bla bla"

Committee: "Look *****, it is a handicap, handicaps are earned based on performance. Are you sailing too well and need a smaller handicap or sailing too poorly and want a larger handicap rather than sailing lessons?

"PHRF is like amateur golf or handicap bowling leagues, no one takes it seriously. Professional golfers, bowlers, and sailors compete in scratch events, no handicaps. PHRF and other handicap systems in sailboat racing are a haven for those with frail egos that need something besides themselves to blame when they don't / can't win.

"If you spent more than 15 seconds preparing an appeal or protest of a PHRF handicap, you take yourself and sailboat racing way too seriously to be in PHRF. (Please ignore the fact that we the committee take ourselves so seriously that we even allow appeals of a subjective handicapping system).

"Please take all that wonderful energy and organize a class that can race heads-up with each other. Please leave PHRF for those of us that like to sail DDW with preventers and sip beer on the downwind legs like the good friendly club sailors we are ... BURP ...

"Next case ...

LMAO

[Shife]

Frank: Lets forget for a moment that you've proven yourself to be a pathological liar and lunatic.

Why do you care? How on earth could any of the things you rant about actually affect you? How many times per year do you even race? Twice? How often do you actually finish a race? From the sound of it, you're nothing more than a small annoyance to everyone else on the racecourse (provided you bothered to show up). Not only that, but you seem to focus all your hate on boats that aren't even in your rating section, or even close to your section for that matter. Why not focus your energy into getting out on the racecourse and beating the boats in your own section? You will never correct out over the big boats with your current sailing skills. It doesn't matter what boat you have, if you don't know what you're doing, you won't win. You're so focused on your jealousy of the big boats, that a seven year old in an Opti pram could beat you around the course. Try learning to sail the pile of crap you have now, and when you master that, move up to something more competitive. The fact that you seem to think boats like yours rating 280 in PHRF, will suddenly be racing beer cans with endorsed IRC certs, shows how little you understand this sport. Fast boats and big races are showing a trend towards IRC, beercan racing in clorox bottle cruisers will most likely be scored under PHRF for years to come.

[marshmat]

I honestly can't believe this thing is still going. At this rate we'll hit 2,000 rants by summer!

The Mac26 is perfectly capable of racing. So is the Sunfish. So are Pelican pedal-boats. So is a sewage contractor's cargo barge. It's what you race it against that counts- two 60' sewage scows can race each other, but neither stands a chance against a VO 70. Likewise, two Mac26s can race each other just fine, and it'll be a lot of fun, but they're NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE AS A TP52! Got that? Good.

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

This Bravo Sierra is not just mine however. I get fed, and some of it may be wrong. Keep me on my toes. I continue to verify. Fair enough truth seekers?

The unanimous consensus seems to be that everything you say about sailing is misinformed and wrong. (Much of the rest of what you say is wrong too, but I suppose you do know things like your own name, and how to spell some of the words you use.) By unanimous, I refer to every single person who has logged on and responded to this thread. You have not swayed one person to your point of view during all the years and thousands of posts you've written here and and on Sailing Anarchy, and probably before that. Frank, when will you realize that you have made yourself into a joke? Your name is synonymous around the world with ignorance and lunacy. Show some self-respect and stop writing this stupid crap.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

The unanimous consensus seems to be that everything you say about sailing is misinformed and wrong. (Much of the rest of what you say is wrong too, but I suppose you do know things like your own name, and how to spell some of the words you use.) By unanimous, I refer to every single person who has logged on and responded to this thread. You have not swayed one person to your point of view during all the years and thousands of posts you've written here and and on Sailing Anarchy, and probably before that. Frank, when will you realize that you have made yourself into a joke? Your name is synonymous around the world with ignorance and lunacy. Show some self-respect and stop writing this stupid crap.

So I have now joined the ranks of Bolger, Farrier, Bethwaite, and Macgregor. Lets get the designers and promoters of the TP52s to apologize. This is important to difuse the situation. But more important, an apology lets the designers and crews and owners speak, breaking through a wall of silence that often divides after a bad outcome when all want to communicate. The TP52s represent the worst of modern design. I know some are driven to post as above. This is a human need to express everything that is on ones mind at such a time of disappointment. Let it fly. We continue. TP52s are sailboats after all. If you like one boat it is hard to dislike any. My Bravo Sierra gets picked up by the printed press.

Frank L. Mighetto
Member SSSS
Member US Sailing

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Skippy

solrac: May some specialist here be so kind to check the boatplans? I will appreciate any coments.

If you're serious about this, START A NEW THREAD.

like this one? See any interested next week end. Hoping for a repeat of Toliva Shoal.

Frank L. Mighetto
HWNSNBS
world famous converted power boater

[TP 52 Defender]

Well it seems Frank has lost it (all of it) - how about appologies for your lies and slander.

Now talking about the TP 52's:
The next generation is comming out and they share the foils with generation 4 but a slightly more open deck layout. As to generation 3 - they seem to have the edge in big air and on power reaches but the foils become stickey in the lighter stuff (and need to press on them to power up). The Gen 3 and 3 + seem to do realy well when they switch into IRC mode so expect them to do well in the US distance races if they don't travel to the Med circuit.

Any one have comments on the new Southern rigs (3 spreaders) and mast jacks built into the system?

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

So I have now joined the ranks of Bolger, Farrier, Bethwaite, and Macgregor. Lets get the designers and promoters of the TP52s to apologize. This is important to difuse the situation. But more important, an apology lets the designers and crews and owners speak, breaking through a wall of silence that often divides after a bad outcome when all want to communicate. The TP52s represent the worst of modern design. I know some are driven to post as above. This is a human need to express everything that is on ones mind at such a time of disappointment. Let it fly. We continue. TP52s are sailboats after all. If you like one boat it is hard to dislike any. My Bravo Sierra gets picked up by the printed press.

Frank L. Mighetto
Member SSSS
Member US Sailing

Not disappointed at all. Somewhat conflicted though. On the one hand, "Frank" is a continuous source of amusement, and an opportunity to share a common joke with my sailing friends. On the other, it really does defy understanding why and how he can keep this up for so long.

edit: I'm sure asking this question is pointless because you are lying again and won't back up your claim with any evidence, but here it goes anyway: What statement that you have made has ever been picked up in the printed press?