TP52s

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by Rail Meat

It is good to see that Steve has followed the step-by-step guide to the letter.

Methodical, that's me

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Rail Meat

Post 6 on page 1 of this thread. I not only warned you that this guy was a nut job, I even provided an outline of how the overall conversation would devolve. It is good to see that Steve has followed the step-by-step guide to the letter.

The best advice is to ignore the guy. In fact, it drives him wild if you go back and delete all of your prior posts, then cease posting. He will sit in here and talk to himself with ever decreasing lucidity, sort of like HAL from 2001: A Space Odessey. It would be mildly entertaining if you did not know there was a real live human suffering from dementia on the other side of the keyboard.

Welcome back Rail Meat. Do you have any comments on TP52s?

[mighetto]

SlipStream

You can't be as ignorant as you appear. Ever heard of gybing downwind to get best VMG which often means in a planing hull.....starting to plane in a breeze?

You evidently don't have the racing experience to recognize that reaching leg processions don't offer many come-back options whereas a true leeward course offers more tactical choices and hence perhaps better racing.

Well I most certainly can be ignorant. Of course I am aware of Uffa Fox. But sorry, I have yet to see a big boat plane on a windward leeward course. You have to remember that TP52s probably will not be raced unless the wind is over 7 Knots and less than 20 knots. It is up to the owners of course. Sure would be great to see that kind of thing - a big boat planing on a buoy race course. I doubt it happened in the SFYC event or can happen in normal wind. If so I really look forward to the film promotionals that will be coming from that effort. For the purposes of buoy racing, I suspect the TP52s are limited mostly to hull speed and short periods of surfing. Do you disagree?

CB - good to see that smiley. What did you think of that polish up a turd comment on Sailing Anarchy? That must have sent the TP52 sponsers at SA into a frenzy. I supose Mr. Ed just deleted it or Haxor. No it wasn't me posting the turd comment. I almost posted a response. Seamed like a cry for mighetto. I understand that the GR folks are upset with SA about something. I probably should check that out.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by mighetto

I doubt it happened in the SFYC event or can happen in normal wind.

I have it on good authority from someone who raced in the SFYC races on a TP52 that they regularly (that means "often") achieved 20+ knot speeds, without surfing.
How many people have you talked to (and, more importantly, listened to) who were there, doing it at the time?

Steve

Originally Posted by mighetto

Welcome back Rail Meat. Do you have any comments on TP52s?

the comments are all about you frank. you are an absolute shit stirring idiot. remember back in the day when everyone quit responding to you and you kept begging me to add something? those were lonely days huh buddy?

it amazes me that you don't embarass yourself. you have armed yourself with information from the '70's and '80's and are now applying it to boats full of modern technology that you could neither sail well or afford. you talk of reefing and hank on jibs and so much other shit that it becomes painful to read your ideas. do some research on modern sail technology, racing tactics that are commonly accepted by proven sailors, and even look beyond the TP 52 class. you might fucking learn something. but please don't pull some info out of a fucking book that you purchased from a used book store that was published in the 1975 and try to apply that to a modern race boat.

seriously frank, if you really want to learn to be a good sailor get a ride on a serious boat. shut your fucking mouth and learn something from a sailor who actually races well. but i doubt you want to do that. you rather just run your fucking mouth from behind your computer screen and play with your shit ass boat.

if you actually wanted to learn you'd get the ride. only problem is that everyone in the puget now knows what a complete and fucking clueless asshole you really are so your chances of getting a ride are slim. good work moron you fucked yourself.

[mighetto]

CB,

Chill boy. Sailors today have to make a choice. Do you invest your time and effort learning how to sail like they have in the USA for the last 20 years or do you learn to sail in the modern way. That way is supported by what the GP RWP did back in may.

CP, crewing a Tripp is not going to make you a great sailor. Not in the Pacific Northwest. Not in world competitions. Don't chat with me. Chat with Jonathan McKee. Jonathan McKee keeps himself on the edge of sailing technology which today means movable ballast. He of course is part of the GR project. You are damaging your own sailing career and not even getting paid for it unless you find yourself a movable ballast boat to work on. Seriously. And I get offers to ride all the time. Who feeds you?

don't talk to me about jonathan mckee douchebag. i am suprised he ever allowed you in the same room with him. when you met him did you ask him if he prefers roller furling or hank on jibs? fucking idiot.

invited to sail on what precisely frank? looks like you are backing yourself into a corner regarding what you are willing to go out on. how modern boats are out there in our area dip shit? if you even compare your stupid boat (that does not have moveable ballast BTW) to a Riptide 44 i am going to have to huzzah you squarely in the nuts

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

"I doubt it happened in the SFYC event or can happen in normal wind. If so I really look forward to the film promotionals that will be coming from that effort. For the purposes of buoy racing, I suspect the TP52s are limited mostly to hull speed and short periods of surfing. Do you disagree?"

Most if not all of the TP52 sustained a plane on multiple legs at SFYC BBS - so yes I disagree

As to the current build list (Just confirmed)
Orlanda - ITA
Pisco Soura - CHI
Bribon - ITA
Atlanti - GRE
Sirius - SPN
Caixia Galicia - SPN
Rush - USA
Sotto Voce - HLN
Mean Machine - HLN
Quantum (?) - USA
(?) - IRL

The TP52's have raced in under 7 kts of wind and in BBS 25+ almost every day - now Frank if you would like to start discussing FACTS we can continue.

yes Yes YES and thankyou. Lets all be mates. Collaboration be the ultimate answer. See if you can get http://www.jpdonovandesign.com/ On that page there was a link to a "Buoy Racing TransPac 52" designed for winds of 7 to 20 knots (I believe that is what was stated) and a link to an SA article from back in 2002. My issue is in callng the vessels TransPac. The math from both Sname and US Sailing indicate that the boats are not for ocean crossing. Donovan and others in the Farr family have been quitely telling prospects this for at least two years (I suspect). Farr even correcting to the Sname capsize risk ratio in the Spain molds. It is time to let go of the crossing ocean purpose of the vessels. Do you agree? Can you get the url? It has been down for me, well - ever since I mentioned it here. Makes you wonder about Haxor from SA.

If most are CE marked are they are marked A B C or D?

[mighetto]

how many modern boats are out there in our area dip shit?

CB please smily when you say things like that. Any boat that planes in normal wind is worthy of riding in my book. That we recently discovered includes TP52s. Not bad for a polished turd boat eh? Oh TP stands for Turd Polished. Now I get it. Real quality stuff on those SA forums. Again please note smilies.

modern shoudl have been in quotes.

so agian answer my question what boats are you invited to go out on that you are interested in? i ask only because i don't see you actively improving as a sailor frank. only reading shitty material and regurgitating it after it gets filtered through your warped fucking brain.

so name one "modern" boat out there that you have sailed on and made go fast. before you start denouncing boats as old fashioned, slow, or unworthy of sailing i would like to see you at least get on a boat in a real race environment and prove that you are something other than an ego-centric, empty headed, blow hard.

i doubt you can do that.


BTW there is nothing to smiley about. i truly think you are an asshole

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by crank boy

don't talk to me about jonathan mckee douchebag. i am suprised he ever allowed you in the same room with him. when you met him did you ask him if he prefers roller furling or hank on jibs? fucking idiot.

Oh lighten up. This is a great time to be new to sailing and an amature or professional designer. Check this out

http://nyd.da.ru/

She is a home build. What I asked McKee about was which boat would be appropriate for getting training in. He set me up for Tasar classes. I asked a similar question to Perry who also suggested Tasar classes. McKee shys away from keel boaters. So far the Tasar classes have not progressed beyond attending the Tasar Worlds. It is there that I saw how exciting racing can be when you let go of WinLee courses. The crews actually demanded that the hosts drop a third buoy. If TP52s can do something like that on their circles then I can get excited about them. There really is nothing of excitement in parading up and down and up and down and up and down. No one outside of the participants gets that. It is why there are few spectator boats let alone spectators on shore. The Extreme trailerable T800 sleeps 4? Well lets keep on the TP52 topic.

What have you been invited on Frank? Answer the question you worthless dog pile.

We race the big boats everytime we go out. We see them up close and personal. We get to see just how fast they are and yes we get to see them plane.

How many times have you been on a big boat Frank? How many times have you been on a winward leeward course with the big boats Frank? How many times have you been invited to ride on a big boat Frank?

Let's see the answers would be none, none and 1 the owner of the Tripp you are trying to put down invited you to try and let you see just what it is you think you know. But you were too much of a loser to accept the ride.

You want to talk trash Frank you continue down your path, but I suggest you leave the Tripp out of it. The boat and yes with Crank Boy on it has won its share of races against the big boats. While you on the other hand have managed to finish almost half the races you have started in and DLF for the ones you finish except for 1. Your new sailing ways are not working in the Northwest or the rest of the world.

I suggest you just shut up and go away. You are talking about something you have no tangible knowledge about. I suggest you go out and get some hands on experience before you say anything else. Riding an S-2 does not make you a big boat sailor and that POS you can't even be called a sailboat. Your PHRF rating is ridulous. Your boat is in the bottom 10% of speed potential in the Northwest. That is a real great ride there. Some modern design. It will plane only under power and by the way now it is in print the new Mac 26M will do 25 MPH under motor or sail so there you have it the X is a washed up piece of crap that is yesterday's technology. Your own highly regarded broker has it in writing and therefore it must be true according to you. The M is the design of the future and the X is dead baby.

If I were you I would just cut my wrists. All that time campaigning to bring back a slow design based on old technology that produced a slow boat. The new M features A WEIGHTED KEEL. Wow Frank it must really hurt to be abandoned by those you love. The X will just not go as fast as the M. By the way the video of the M driving right by a X while sailing and motoring is quite impressive too. Well print doesn't lie. everything you have been saying is crap and has been proven so by Roger MacGregor himself and published by Blue Water Yachts.

Tripp guy

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

"Oh TP stands for Turd Polished" - Enough!

Sir it is doubtful that you have the capacity to understand modern racing yachts let alone have the skill, physical ability, or experience to survive a day of racing on a TP52 (Let alone a distance race). Gain some respect for those who do poses the 'right stuff' to sail these modern racing machines. Gain some respect for those who in their patience have tried to help you correct your factual errors (without malice). Until you can begin to race at any GP level you need to learn to keep your head down, your back side up and your eyes & ears open.

CB - it is regrettable that I tried to educate some one who is so blinded by his (her) hate and/or ignorance. I should have listened to you earlier - my apologies .....

Now now defender. That was the SA boys. Gee, a little rough posting and you are running for sheltered water? What kind of a sailor are you? On yea - a keel boater Again lighten up. Obviously we are all drinking by now. It's 1930 my time.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by crank boy

modern shoudl have been in quotes.

so agian answer my question what boats are you invited to go out on that you are interested in? i ask only because i don't see you actively improving as a sailor frank. only reading shitty material and regurgitating it after it gets filtered through your warped fucking brain.

so name one "modern" boat out there that you have sailed on and made go fast. before you start denouncing boats as old fashioned, slow, or unworthy of sailing i would like to see you at least get on a boat in a real race environment and prove that you are something other than an ego-centric, empty headed, blow hard.

i doubt you can do that.


BTW there is nothing to smiley about. i truly think you are an asshole

CB, admit it. You are a trophy kid. These are the 20 somethings who were carted about by parents to every event they ever attended on a schedule to be shown off. Kids like you are unable to think for them selves. They like taking orders from their daddies and mommies, never applied them selves in school, but still got good grades by having their mommies and daddies gang up on the professors, are incapable of starting or running a business (including a coffee stand). Never question authorities and could never be trusted as captains of their own race boats. Oh marginalize this as ranting owing to the wine that French guy on J dock sent me. No think hard about it. Are you a dot bomb? Can you think for your self or just spew poop. Well CB, I actually think more of you than that. Simmer down and try posting again sometime. You are always welcome.