TP52s

[Shife]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Lets compare the TP52s to the SC70s and Mac70s here. Far enough? Neither of these vessels have the support of US Sailing btw. They are simply tolerated as they are at SSSS.

Frank L. Mighetto
raging *****, and member US Sailing

Yes, lets compare them. But first, what the hell is a Mac70? Are you referring to the GL 70 class, composed of various ULDB 70s?
ULDB 70:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1361&url=

TP52:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=30624&url=

What really gets me Frank, is how you seem to be completely in love with the old ULDB 70s, just because someone in the MacGregor family used the shitter on one. You contradict yourself at every turn. You do realize that your argument about the TP52's draft being a burden is complete horseshit don't you? Do you realize that in the links I've provided, the draft of the 70 is 12ft, and the TP52 is 10.5ft? Please show some factual evidence that US Sailing "simply tolerates" these boats. You can't do it Frank. You know why? Because it's just another one of your imaginary facts that you use to justify the plastic shitbox you own. Rich guys with deep pockets spending coin on boats like this is nothing but GOOD for the sport. These owners pour thousands of dollars into the local economy everywhere they go. Marina owners love these guys, they're good business to have. Big boat owners buy expensive rigging, hardware,and bottom jobs. Whereas you buy an oil filter for your oversized outboard. Haulout costs alone are enough to make the owner of a boatyard cream his pants. They also draw crowds of onlookers and publicity, something your trailersailer just can't do, and something this sport needs. You are so stuck in your little part of the PNW, that you can't even see what real sailing is like outside the US. Don't you find it odd that with thousands of McCrap26's out there, you don't see any of them racing? Hell, if they're as advanced as you say they are, they should have been the biggest one design class at Key West. Yet, strangely, the only time any of us ever see one it's either sitting on a trailer, rotting on a mooring, or being sailed at a whopping 3kts by someone who doesn't have the seamanship skills necessary to launch a rubber dinghy. And for the last damn time, the mini 6.5 is in no way similar to your boat! A series mini 6.5 is basically a mini TP52. High tech, high powered, fixed ballast, and a bulb mounted on a strut. A proto 6.5 is even more advanced, adding canting keel technology. These boats are so far removed from what you sail, that you wouldn't be able to find the outhaul on one. Give it up Frank, and admit that you have no clue what you're talking about.

[Buc]

Actually Frank desn't have to worry about his taxes going for dredging at Swantown Marina. While Frank works in Olympia and keeps his boat here, he lives in Seattle, well outside the Port of Olympia's tax district. He doesn't pay taxes here; he's a freeloader. Maybe he forgot.

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by Shife

Yes, lets compare them. But first, what the hell is a Mac70? Are you referring to the GL 70 class, composed of various ULDB 70s?
ULDB 70:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1361&url=

TP52:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi..._id=30624&url=

What really gets me Frank, is how you seem to be completely in love with the old ULDB 70s, just because someone in the MacGregor family used the shitter on one. You contradict yourself at every turn. You do realize that your argument about the TP52's draft being a burden is complete horseshit don't you? Do you realize that in the links I've provided, the draft of the 70 is 12ft, and the TP52 is 10.5ft? Please show some factual evidence that US Sailing "simply tolerates" these boats. You can't do it Frank. You know why? Because it's just another one of your imaginary facts that you use to justify the plastic shitbox you own. Rich guys with deep pockets spending coin on boats like this is nothing but GOOD for the sport. These owners pour thousands of dollars into the local economy everywhere they go. Marina owners love these guys, they're good business to have. Big boat owners buy expensive rigging, hardware,and bottom jobs. Whereas you buy an oil filter for your oversized outboard. Haulout costs alone are enough to make the owner of a boatyard cream his pants. They also draw crowds of onlookers and publicity, something your trailersailer just can't do, and something this sport needs. You are so stuck in your little part of the PNW, that you can't even see what real sailing is like outside the US. Don't you find it odd that with thousands of McCrap26's out there, you don't see any of them racing? Hell, if they're as advanced as you say they are, they should have been the biggest one design class at Key West. Yet, strangely, the only time any of us ever see one it's either sitting on a trailer, rotting on a mooring, or being sailed at a whopping 3kts by someone who doesn't have the seamanship skills necessary to launch a rubber dinghy. And for the last damn time, the mini 6.5 is in no way similar to your boat! A series mini 6.5 is basically a mini TP52. High tech, high powered, fixed ballast, and a bulb mounted on a strut. A proto 6.5 is even more advanced, adding canting keel technology. These boats are so far removed from what you sail, that you wouldn't be able to find the outhaul on one. Give it up Frank, and admit that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Nice!

What kind of character can Frank be to go on for almost a year and a half like this, with people writing in from around the world telling him he is a clueless ****, and not one person agreeing with him the entire time. They say that when you meet him, his facade is a normal, if slightly eccentric personality, but you got to think that, somewhere inside, there is something very strange, possibly not human.

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

...Niether of the board operator's will admit to this but there is a strong likelyhood that borh forums have been hampered by the win-at-any-cost, influence-peddling fun-sucking topdowners we usually find sailing the "big boats"...
Frank L. Mighetto
member US Sailing

I may have to take back my description of Frank as long-winded. With one sentence he has demonstrated that he is full of ****, casting aspersions based on no evidence what so ever, and pissing off multiple segments of the sailing/internet community... that is, if anyone were to care what he had to say.

You know Frank, this forum provides a spell checker. It wouldn't kill you to download the software and use it. Working through your atrocious, infantile spelling and grammar adds a good 25% to the time needed to read one of your postings, and only adds to the hostility people feel toward you. And don't give me **** about how it's rude to comment on your spelling. I'm making a constructive suggestion here.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

I may have to take back my description of Frank as long-winded. With one sentence he has demonstrated that he is full of ****, casting aspersions based on no evidence what so ever, and pissing off multiple segments of the sailing/internet community... that is, if anyone were to care what he had to say.

You know Frank, this forum provides a spell checker. It wouldn't kill you to download the software and use it. Working through your atrocious, infantile spelling and grammar adds a good 25% to the time needed to read one of your postings, and only adds to the hostility people feel toward you. And don't give me **** about how it's rude to comment on your spelling. I'm making a constructive suggestion here.

Its a great forum all right. Tell us about the spell checker. How does one hook up? Note 800 hits since my last post. There is something to what I say. Pay attention. It really isn't all about me.

Frank L. Mighetto
ask for evidence and so it will be given
there is a reason I am known as HWNSNBS

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Buc

Actually Frank desn't have to worry about his taxes going for dredging at Swantown Marina. While Frank works in Olympia and keeps his boat here, he lives in Seattle, well outside the Port of Olympia's tax district. He doesn't pay taxes here; he's a freeloader. Maybe he forgot.

Yes I do feel like a freeloader. But few work as tirelessly as I do for boating in the Pacific Northwest. Perhaps you are not aware that Tripp Gal's crew actually threatened to get me booted out of Swantown Marina. Such are the ways of the big boaters. It is a culture of gangs that we do not need in US Sailing ruled clubs. On a positive note Swantown awarded Murrelet the prize for dressing up over xmas on the JKL docks and we won a free haul out at the boat show.



Just to clarify. It is my moorage fees that would be paying for dredging as well as my federal tax. Of all the Port of Olympia activities it is the marina and boat works that generate more funds than costs. There is no subsidization at all for those two activities. It is a secure facility, which is likely why dog doo wasn't spread over Murrelet as promised by one of Tripp Gal's thugs. This is more than trash talk. It is more truth. Can you handle it. The really sad thing is that Swantown can already support deep draft vessels. There is no pleasure boat need whatsoever for the dredging on west bay except that the big boats can't hang with the rest of the Toliva Shoal racers. There was no need at the OYC outstation either. OYC's special tax for the dredging is directly related to the burden of the big boats, which could have been designed with movable and retractable foils as my boat is. Two weeks and counting. Will Tripp Gal try to orchestrate a boycott of the Toliva Shoal race as she did last year? Again big-boater mentality. FYI, in a PHRF race, in theory, any boat, even mine, can correct out to better a big boat. Why do so few know this fact?

Frank L. Mighetto
Performance Sailing Seminar. Tonight I think. See you there.

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

But few work as tirelessly as I do for boating in the Pacific Northwest. Perhaps you are not aware that Tripp Gal's crew actually threatened to get me booted out of Swantown Marina.

Well if the people you believe you are helping react that way, maybe you should rethink your approach.

Originally Posted by mighetto

FYI, in a PHRF race, in theory, any boat, even mine, can correct out to better a big boat. Why do so few know this fact?

Is this a joke? That is the basis of PHRF racing, not some well-hidden factoid. Who doesn't know that? The reason you never correct out ahead when you race is because you don't know how to sail.

Spell checker: above and to the right of the reply window. You can also use MS Word to spell check. I thought you were some kind of computer expert.

[Shife]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Its a great forum all right. Tell us about the spell checker. How does one hook up?Note 800 hits since my last post. There is something to what I say. Pay attention. It really isn't all about me.

Frank L. Mighetto
ask for evidence and so it will be given
there is a reason I am known as HWNSNBS

No, Frank, it IS all about you. People tune into this freak show to see what bizzare fabrications of reality you'll come up with next. You're like the circus attraction that everyone knows is fake. People know you're a fraud, but they enjoy coming here to laugh at you all the same.

ask for evidence and so it will be given
there is a reason I am known as HWNSNBS

We've been asking for evidence the whole time. You haven't provided any yet, why start now? Also, the imaginary facts you claim to be true, just because you write them, don't count. We want actual, verified, printed facts, from a reputable source (which is not you).

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

ask for evidence and so it will be given

OK - then how about sharing with us the evidence behind Farr Internationals alleged bankruptcy? (And please remember: Evidence = Facts)

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by TP 52 Defender

How do neither of those vessels have the support of US sailing? The TP52's are about to have their World's in Miami with a US sailing RC and US sailing / ISAF judges..... Frank you need to finaly admit you don't have a very good grip on sailing and even less of a grip on what it takes to sail, run, own a TP52. As to TP52's in your area - I hope the Glory boys get a better grip on the boat before the worlds start (I think the learning curve may have got the better of them).

Also most big boat sailors also sail small boat the culture you dislike is racing sailors - is this in envy or ignorance?

The culture of corruption is most observable with the Abramoff lobygate scandle which involves one of the sponsors active in sailboat events. FYI Abramoff worked for Preston Gates Ellis's DC office but spent a lot of time in Seattle owing to a mercer island charity he founded. Preston Gates Ellis is a firm started by Bill Gate's father of the Bill and Malinda Gates Foundation. I have long suspected that somehow Sudie Parker is tied in to a firm with the win-at-any-cost culture Abramoff learned at Preston Gates.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/23/154633/843

The top downers really are way up there.

Frank L. Mighetto
write in candidate any board position US Sailing

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Az Awful Sailor

You know frankie you really are something. I will tell you the reason I come back and read the progress of this thread every few weeks. I have no interest in your rantings for learning purposes. Every word that you type has assclown written all over it. For me its purely for entertainment purposes. You are the biggest idoit I have ever seen and watching you get your daily kick in the nuts is hysterical.

You influence no one. I guarentee not one person reading this 100 page long thread has changed thier mind one bit. Funny thing is that I have done some sailing on a mac and like them for what they are..lightweight inshore trailersailors. You show what a retard you are for suggesting the are anything other. So Frankie, you pay attention. It is about you. I bet your parents would be proud to see their baby boy make such a ass of himself on such a regular basis.

AZ Sailor, are you picking up on the Mount Gay post? Conspiracy theory, the first of all theories accepted by the US born and for good reason. Rum use to be as important to world trade as oil is today. If you are a sailor, you well know about rum, but you may not be aware that Mount Gay is French, hated by the Bush administration because Cuba and the rest of the world sided with them over a trade mark called Havana Club. Abramoff will take many down with him. Fortunately for the sport of sailing most of those are golfers. Have some fun guy. I have come to realize that the 20 somethings will never speak out. They are the debt generation, living as wage slaves like during the days on the plantations, and of course on the big boats. They are the forced silent generation. You sir are not one of them right? More my age correct? Do you think I care what is said about me? I would not be running for office or speaking out if that were the case. Enjoy the entertainment but recognize my contributions.

PHRF is undergoing what I think is radical change. No longer will your J-boat, or whatever, have a rating in San Diego that is different than the rating in the Pacific Northwest. The wind blows the same all over the world. We can adjust our sails and ride well or continue to support fixed fin monohulls at the detrimate of our 20 something potentials.

The mac26x part in the TP52 conspiracy was significant on two levels. First, the water ballasted race trainers at 5000 active hulls competed directly with the notion of a TP26 race trainer, second they were proof that the LPS requirement of 128 in the TP53 box rules was hogwash.

Frank L. Mighetto
Be My Valintine

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

ask for evidence and so it will be given

I take it that was just one more of your lies...

Originally Posted by mighetto

...recognize my contributions...

I'd love to - what are they (apart from lies)?

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sorenfdk

I take it that was just one more of your lies...


I'd love to - what are they (apart from lies)?

Good lord, man, I have rocked the Status Quo - which Blows chunks. (only 4 of 39 US on BMW/Oracle race team!) You do know that 10,000 hits on Sailing Anarchy on one day were had on the thread Sudie Parker started called the Future of Yacht Design because of me.

You may also be aware of the now famous rule 69 report I prepared for PHRF Northwest

Certainly you know of the unhackable www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm which was originally developed by myself and fellows on sailnet.net. Haxor still tries. BTW, this forum and that url are proof that online forums can be operated for years without "hard drive" issues. Argh.

You may not be aware of my role in extending rule 69 and proposed laws on Internet Bullying. Huzzah Huzzah it is now very difficult to harrass a person on a forum such as this anonomously. You can always espress a sailor's wit but eventually AZ sailor will want to identify himself by name, to prevent jail time should his true identity be discovered and, in the case of TP52's the law/lobby firm employing them to do the harrassment.

There is nothing as exhilerating as having someone aim at you and miss. You are aware that Sudie Parker's husband Little Man Hansen, contacted the state of washington and washington state patrol to have my internet access and job revoked are you not? Fellow, no one has done as much for this sport. BTW the Tripp 47 has burdened the Toliva Shoal race already. The S2 7.9 will not be racing owing to Sudie Parker's selection of a captain. One way to win is to take talent that would otherwize be competing against you. This is especially effective if it also takes out a movable and retractable foil vessel that has a chance of bettering your lubberly sailed vessel. This is the best recent example of the win-at-any-cost culture of corruption I continue to work against.

As Secretary of South Sound Sailing Society, I got the job done. We still wait for rosters, now over a month due; that would never happen on my watch, and I have to figure my relentless notification of forums going down in a manner supporting the bigboats is why the MacGregor board is now running. Soon the SSSS board will be operating. Hell Microsoft will put it up for us. Who needs Shean Trew.

But my greatest accomplishment is getting out of the way of PHRF, Sailing Anarchy, and SSSS who are taking all my concerns away by fixing things, faster than I can run for office.

Soon movable and retractable foiled sailing machines will be raced as designed rather than in a manner that makes the fpolish TP53 style boats look good.

But, I am not a leader. I am just following US Sailing.

US Sailing has been re-inventing itself. Its management consultants pointed out that sailing in the US is considered by many to be an elite activity, aloof from the rest of society and thereby undesirable. This the management consultants proposed partially explained the net loss of 100,000 US sailors to the sport each year and low interest in membership.

So that fewer US boaters move to power boating or out of boating all together, US Sailing is de-emphasizing support for the elite racers, such as TP52s, owner driver classes, and large one-designs, and is attemting to grow the sport through support of production cruisers such as Catalinas and hopefully and most likely soon Macgregors. They also are going to be more open about elections of board members and even let members vote for who will become a board member! What a concept!

This membership voting is a big change for US Sailing. Members have not yet been part of the board selection process at US Sailing. This had been done from the top down, not bottom up. The rational for that was the feeling that if you let members vote for board positions you might get a "bad" board member.

The notion that an election can give a bad result is such a politically charged one that US Sailing really could no longer support its old board selection process and expect US government funding or non profit status. The risk of getting a "bad" board member with the top down approach might now be considered greater because so many selected that way have had duties outside those of the board that have overwhelmed them or clouded their board decisions.

US Sailing is now implementing a modern structure. See http://www.ussailing.org/organizatio...rce/structure/

Frank L Mighetto
Chenny shot a millionaire. My God the truth - who can handle it?

[longliner45]

If I shot someone you would have herd about it on the 5 oclock news not 24hrs later

[mfqrdf]

The wind doesn't blow the same accross the world....that's why the highest recorded wind has only occured on Mt Washington...and not everywhere. Although it is all contingent on your definition of "same" or "is" or pretty much everything.