TP52s

Herron Island results should be up by Monday (since a couple of us know that he's too much of a chickenshit to post race result)

http://www.ssssclub.com/results.htm

TP 52 defender--

do not try to reason with the frank. it does not work.

just enjoy his posts for what they are. and have a good ol' time making fun of him. he is a complete and utter douchebag with few friends.

tell him to fuck off, insult his wife, or kick him in the nuts. it's fun and it is the only thing he is good for.

his theories on sailing are ridiculous as are his understanding of wine and politics.

frank-- by request i am to call you a twat again.


from some of the boys at sailing anarchy- - - -TWAT

go kill yourself.

thanks
CB

Burnett initally was looking at a different boat, but much like all of us we started with one boat idea and ended up with another because it was better suited to our needs. I started out looking at a SC70 as the fleet is so large on the Great Lakes and great competition. I ended up with a SC52 because I was spending my time racing other peoples fun and my family wanted a boat they could spend a week on cruising comfortably.

He spent a considerable amount of time with the designer and they came up with his wants/needs for a boat. The designer recommended the TP52 because as a class and boat it was more in line with the clients sailing needs.

[mighetto]

Good to see TP52 Defender

You have moderated this discussion nicely.

Please note that what I have posted on the TP52s is in print and recent print. Your information on the King of Spain and 10 boats in the med fleet may be out of date. After the GP RWP decision, I suspect 6 prospects including the King dropped orders. The reports from Seahourse International are accurate are they not? It is my understanding that at this time the King has agreed to crew on a friend's TP52 but is not in the market. Lets both check our sources, the web, contacts, Seahorse etc. On my objection to owner driver.

If the owner must drive for 30 minutes he must race. What we find in PHRF racing is that it is the boat that is a must show. Not the owner, not a crew member, and not even a club member. Just the boat.

What this does for the sport is that it encourages more participation and completion of series races and it gives us better bottom line data upon which to adjust the ratings. It also means that a fellow like me with a cruiser racer or race training boat can crew on say an S 7.9, assuming my fat arse is needed to keep the boat sailing flat. (I am 220 lbs BTW - perfect size for Star racing I am told. CB may want to bulk up with some weight training CB, if you will sing a chanty on Tuesday next week, I will provide you dinner at a Winter Feast. How about the ballad of Tripp Gal. )

PHRF also means a fellow that owns two 11 meters can have both of them racing in the same event even though he physically can not be present on both. That is good for developing crew and new captains who may not have the resources to purchase their own vessels. BTW, I suspect all TP52s are up for sale.

Professional boat designers probably do not view Bermuda and Hawaii as good runs for the TP52s because of the math which has been provided - especially the capsize risk ratio.

I am pointing that out because I object to the boats being marketed as TransPacific vessels. Over time, I suspect that label may be dropped. There are more folks than I aware of the math and the math is used in marketing vessels.

The designers - especially Donovan, have forgone ocean crossing features, like the capsize risk ratio, for windward leeward buoy performance and have even said so.

Only the four med TP52s (none yet built) are known to have been designed to pass the capsize risk ratio and to do that they probably will be slower on the buoy courses.

Thanks for the information on CE marking. I was told the oposite and took the hook. Sorry.

On boat speed - seriously 33 knots? How long was that maintained? I mean the boat could have been out of control. The skipper to foolish to reduce sail and the sails ripping to shreds after the event. By the math the vessels should plane. They can be marketed as planing boats. But that doesn't jibe with the notion of windward leeward courses. TP52s, if capable of sustained planing should be racing triangles (Olympic style buoy race courses). I suspect that all that weight at the tip of the keel an issue.

Should the gusts we are getting today in South Puget Sound (35 to 45 knots) hit a TP52 at slow speed and with cloth up, that keel weight many prevent the hull from accelerating to planing speeds. Of course the mast may not be so prevented. Hence dismasting and the new - as per Perry - rule on minimum mast weight. AC boats have the same bulb keels and skippers work to KEEP THEM FROM PLANING. Anyway, I am hungry. feed me more information. I will not bite because I am well fed by others.

Once again showing complete and total ignorance. Boats do not enter races. In fact if you ever decide to do a real race and not a club event you will find that the skipper has to be a member of an organization that is affiliated with, on the west coast PIYA (you might want to check the boards on what PIYA stands for). If the boat shows up without a suitable representative it will not be allowed to race, PHRF not withstanding.

You should really shut up and listen. People give you good information but you just disregard it because you "think" you know something.

How about putting the "recent print" on the TP52 up for people to review since that is your source and clearly no one has seen it but you?

[mighetto]

looser

My club is a PIYA member and you of course are correct, a suitable representative must be provided. However that representative need not be a club member. This allows top notch skippers, from other PIYA clubs, as well as professionals, to race in our events with out the expense of joining our club. You might look into that for your club or consider racing in South Puget Sound yourself. Try listening to me. I do know a few things. Of course I can also be wrong and have been.

I would not race south sound. Again you don't even know the rules of your own club. Shut up and go race sometime. As soon as you figure out how to complete a race or show some respect for the RC (that's Race Committe) by notifying them that you are a sorry quitter and will not finish race so they don't have to stay on station wiating for your slow mierable POS then maybe somene would listen to you. You know nothing, you have no experience relevant to this discussion, you have no business talking about this topic.

[mighetto]

looser

Very good point about notifying the RC boat. Something Murrelet always does. We of course also finish races.

http://www.transpac52.org/NewsArticles/buildtable.htm

shows the confirmed progress in TP52 launches. Pre GP RWP bomb shell the projections were for 19 TP52s by the end of 2005. Post GP RWP it looks like that goal is still obtainable. But no Kings. The Swan 50+ one designs start racing the Med in 2005. Oh if you had poled sailors on Sailing Anarchy about how many TP52s that they thought were on the water in May, the guesses probably would have ranged from 50 to 100. Not 9 or 10. So clueless are the trophy generation. So trusting and unable to do math or research. They must be fed by there daddys and hence will never be greater than they are.

I do not blame evangilizers of TP52s for not knowing that TP52s have been marketed very hard and not soft sold by word of mouth as is implied on the official web site. I suspect that prior to Sailing Anarchy's carrying of an obvious advertisment on its splash page they were paid for content on their web site and for monitoring discussions and for spins. This is not allowed on other media but the Internet is still wild in that regard I know Mr Edd would say what's illegal about pay for content.

Bottom line - no net increase in confirmed orders for TP52s since May 2004. The GP RWP obsoleted the design with its support of movable ballast at that time.

Please note http://www.transpac52.org/home.htm contains a quote from Seahorse International.

"With small jibs, no runners and open deck layout, they are also as easy to sail as many popular one-designs, yet by conforming to ORC accommodation standards they can be measured using IMS parameters and so be legal under most existing rules."

In PHRF, encouraging TP52s to one-design race, is a put down. I think owners should get real PHRF ratings for the boats and stick with the windward leeward buoy race courses and recognize that there is nothing really radical about the design. If that is incorrect, it will show up quick enough in rating adjustments in a few years.

franky baby--

sweet baby jesus, you are some piece of work. why do you insist on running your worthless douchebag mouth? you must like to hear yourself talk. i suspect your wife will kill you in your sleep in the future. (we can only hope)

you have been schooled repeatedly concerning your notions of the mac 26x and the use of what you call moveable water ballast. at least you have shut up about this though. but your continued obsession with jim teeters and the the TP-52 is something that dumbfound mental health professionals for ages.

did jim teeter's really single handedly halt the production of the 26? it is afterall the way of the future how coudl one man do that? after 5000 boats built (i refuse to refer to them as hulls) did you give any consideration to the idea that they saturated the market? that macgregor could only turn out and find 5000 complete fucking idiots like yourself to buy the goddamned things?

do you realize that jim teeters has to this day not read one fucking word you have ever written about him. you aren't even a blip on his radar screen. how's that make you feel about your campaign against him frank? you are a fucking moron. the only thing jim teeters ever did was testify in court that your stupid boat isn't stable when not carrying ballast. and you dispute that?!?!?! the boat killed a few children because some drunk moron loaded it up wth what a dozen people? and then didn't fill the ballast tanks. it is sad, and i will atleast agree with you (oh jesus this hurts) that it was more the operator's fault than the boat's. but the real tragedy is that you and your porgeny were not on board when the boat started taking lives.


i'll be back later to deliver another abdomen deep kick to your balls concerning the TP-52 but i have some work to do.

crank boy

It is clear why your wife won't have kids with you. I commend her for that it saves the taxpayers a ton of money and also means that congress doesn't have to spend time making laws to prevent you from reproducing. Natural selection is a wonderful thing.

[mighetto]

TP 52 Defender

Thanks for posts. As you can see, I have a few folks who follow me around, nipping at my heels from time to time. Sometimes they succeed in angering me. Teeters doesn't know me or read my stuff because he doesn't know how to use a computer and he is ashamed. There, forgive me. I am no longer upset by CB, the only known Teeter defender on the planet. Teeters will not even defend Teeters. What he did to support a drunk with a prior felony who killed two children on the fourth of July 2002 is not supportable especially given the parents of the drowned children's objections to that testimony.

Looks like our first 1,000 view week. Good going all. That can not be bad for any one. Including TP52 supporters.

Perhaps the official web site can be updated with news about royals. I think the King of Spain is in the market for a GP RWP boat like the VO70s and not a TP52. This is reasonable given what the GP RWP did.

I am now fully convinced that these TP52s plane.

This is exciting news because it means the owners might advocate changing the buoy courses from all windward leeward to triangle. There isn't much chance of showing planing kinds of speed on WinLee courses.

What say you. TP52s would be welcome by many - including Mac26x and perhaps S2 7.9 owners if they could help restore the fast buoy courses in the Americas. You design and tune to a course as well as a race rule.

i am not nipping at your heels moron. i am making fun of you. we have gone over this. do try and keep up.

i would also not go so far as to say i am defending jim teeter's. personally i couldn't care less what he does. i was only pointing out that your jack ass assumption that he is the reason your stupid boat is not being produced any more. jesus you are a total jack ass. ashamed? really?

as for the TP52 only being good for buoy racing. how do you come by that? here's a mental exercise for you fuckhead.

how many TP-52's have crossed an ocean? (which is what they were intended to do) now how many mac 26x's have crossed an ocean? (which you have consistently claimed they can do)

you truly are a mentally ill jag off frank. punch yourself in the nuts for me.

Post 6 on page 1 of this thread. I not only warned you that this guy was a nut job, I even provided an outline of how the overall conversation would devolve. It is good to see that Steve has followed the step-by-step guide to the letter.

The best advice is to ignore the guy. In fact, it drives him wild if you go back and delete all of your prior posts, then cease posting. He will sit in here and talk to himself with ever decreasing lucidity, sort of like HAL from 2001: A Space Odessey. It would be mildly entertaining if you did not know there was a real live human suffering from dementia on the other side of the keyboard.

slipstream--

if the first 11 pages have been painful for DO NOT start talking to frank here about win/lee courses.

that's when he really starts to shine.

if you owned a shitty boat you wouldn't like w/l courses either.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

But no Kings

Migho, if you check your own link above, you will note a boat for the Spanish Navy. It is traditional for European royalty to have the Royal Yacht owned by the Navy.

Yes, Kings...