Sydney-Hobart 2013

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by Doug Lord, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. oceancruiser

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  3. oceancruiser

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    Who said there was going to be 7 Volvos?


    Orders are rolling in here.

    http://www.bakewell-white.com/wawcs0143881/idDetails=172/15.85m Club Racer-Cruiser –

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  4. CT 249
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    The Volvo site says there's four teams. Frostadt also said "Our objective is eight boats and that’s what the project is designed around. We can build up to two more and we can also, of course, build one less if that is the case. - See more at: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2013/06/27/vor-13-14-state-of-play/#sthash.jDURnvLS.dpuf

    If they are planning for 8 then "there's going to be what, 7?" seems to be fairly accurate guess. Hardly massive numbers.

    I don't know what the link to BBW is about. If you are referring to Wired, she's irrelevant in a discussion about new canters as according to her builder she was built in 2006 and therefore is not a new boat.

    In the IMOCA thread you wrote "Who wants to travel and see 4=6 boats that look all the same at dockside or on the tracker. The whole ideal at being at the viewing area, tracking them on the tracker is to compare different boats, designs, innovations with the the varying race results, causing discussions, thoughts with discussions, arguments on forums, in club conversations, at the bars which usually refer to the boats by the sponsors names."

    I can only agree 100% but personally (and it's just a personal taste issue rather than a right or wrong matter IMHO) I feel that box rules like the IMOCA or VO 70 rules are now too tight to give the variation that I find interesting. I loved rating rules that allowed you to watch duels like Ceramco v Flyer, or UBS Switzerland v Drum and the smaller boats; duels where boats may race against sisters, or different themes to the same rating, or the same theme in a smaller size, or a different style in a different size. So to me, losing the small differences that were allowed in the VO70 rule (and which were often a creation of the box rule itself just as is the case in other box rule classes like 12 Foot Skiffs, seahugger Moths or Minis) is no big deal. As I said, just personal taste.

    I loved the 60 v Maxi Whitbread, which had close class racing AND a duel between two very different types. Personally I'd be fascinated to see something similar if the Volvo keeps struggling with numbers. Perhaps a class of big racer/cruisers (Wally 100s???) could race alongside the Volvo 65s with partly amateur crews (and to take part as an amateur you would have to prove conclusively that you earned no cash from sailing, for example by handing over income tax details).

    Probably a pipe dream but if we are going to have an open design class why not have one that is more open than the rule/class we lost?
     
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    Excerpt from article in Scuttlebutt Europe: http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=c29f6dab419ffad4fdfba5b97&id=a7d123da92&e=cdea9d4ac3

    Wild Oats XI Favoured By Forecast

    Six-time line honours winner Wild Oats XI appears to be favoured by the latest weather forecast for this year's Sydney to Hobart yacht race.

    The bigger boats will take the most joy from the forecast issued on Friday by the NSW Bureau of Meteorology's Andrew Treloar.

    He said the race could start under 10 to 15 knot nor-easters on Boxing Day, with the winds freshening as the fleet makes it way down the NSW south coast.

    He expected the north to north easterly winds winds to get up to around 25 to 30 knots on Friday, before the first significant change later that night, with the wind expected to move around to the west early on December 28.

    It looks like the course right now may suit Wild Oats a little bit better than it does us," said Perpetual LOYAL navigator Stan Honey.



    Go Wild Oats XI !!
     
  6. oceancruiser

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    Doug,

    They have got it wrong again. Take a look at the other more accurate, reliable weather model.


    http://www.stormsurfing.com/cgi/display_alt.cgi?a=eoz_slp


    http://www.weatherzone.com.au/synoptic.jsp?d=6

    Look how far the Isobars are apart. That means under 6 knots

    Probablt 3-4 knots extremely light shifting winds, calm glassy seas.


    It's going to be a light weather boat race.

    Perpetual loyal or the V 70 Oyster Bay wines Owner with the magnificate Kiwi blond hair Cris Dickson on board. Not sure if he is helmsman or Tactician and there is the other invincible Kiwi Gavin Brady.

    I do not think in view of the weather it is going to be a big boat race this time.

    Calm seas, blue skies, mirrior water and glassy water reflections for the SH.

    Start Now.
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    Also starts 1300 hrs time Zone 10, Sydney time. Broadcast starrts 1230 hrs For southern hemisphere views.
    The latest from the dark horse flier that has just raced more than 2 Sydney H races for their preparation, testing every thing.

    Read the full story,

    http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/ne...’-arrives-race-ready-for-rolex-sydney-hobart/

    Some exageration in the story as 1400 nms does not equal his statement when compared with the distance of the SH

    OC.

    Perpetual Loyal 20 ft Longer. Don't know if the dark horse has a canting keel.

    Corley would know.

    Tracker URL

    http://www.rolexsydneyhobart.com/tracker/



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    But what yachties really value, what brings them back year after year after year is the elusive Tattersall’s Cup,

    First across the line is easy to follow, and a great deal of time, money and effort goes into winning that particular prize.


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    http://www.7knots.com/CGI/list_forum.pl?board=Misc_And_Others&view=656&scroll=1

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  12. Doug Lord
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    While I continue to support Wild Oats XI, I'm hoping to see Beau Geste do real well. Heres a little tidbit from the SA front page(article by Ronnie Simpson) :

    Beau Geste The brand new, and most eagerly anticipated boat in the Sydney- Hobart is as revolutionary and cutting-edge as it is downright sexy and intimidating. The new Botin Partners – designed 80-footer weighs half as much as Wild Oats at about 16 tons, yet creates 60 tons of righting moment vs. 68 for Oats. The keel cants 3 degrees more than a Volvo 70, while the canards are angled at an incredible 18 degrees, generating around 3 tons of lift at 27 knots of boatspeed. The closest we’ll see to monohull foiling in this race, Beau Geste’s polars indicate multihull-like downhill speeds approaching 40 knots of boat speed. Not just fast, she’s designed from the ground up to be a durable and burly boat with a rig designed to withstand 50 tons of pressure at it’s base and an innovative hull structure.
    Designed by Marcelino Botin- http://www.botinpartners.com/

    PS-Merry Christmas!

    Go Wild Oats XI!! (and good luck Beau Geste!)

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    Check out the angle of the boards in the left picture-lots of vertical lift when heeled!
     

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  13. Doug Lord
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    Sydney-Hobart weather

    from the "arab news":

    SYDNEY: Crews were warned to brace for a bumpy, challenging ride in this week's Sydney to Hobart yacht race, with updated forecasts of gale force winds dampening record hopes.
    Delivering its annual pre-race briefing, the weather bureau said the field of 94 boats could expect a strong southerly of up to 30 knots and possible thunderstorms at the starting line at Sydney Harbor on Thursday morning, instead of the favorable conditions earlier forecast.
    The headwind would ease and a northeaster pick up as the fleet worked its way down the coast, but meteorologist Andrew Treloar said a cold front would hit on Saturday night, bringing wild gale-force conditions for boats crossing the Bass Strait, which separates Tasmania from the Australian mainland.
    "Getting into Bass Strait on Saturday they could be picking up strong winds ahead of the front, and then the front moves through the eastern part of Bass Strait later on the Saturday," Treloar told reporters.
    "That could come through with a pretty big push. At the moment we would be expecting at least strong winds and possibly gales." Treloar said it was a different weather picture to the devastating storm in the 1998 race, which sank five yachts and killed six sailors but "nevertheless we have to be on guard.”
    Thursday's stormy conditions and headwinds mean a new race record is now unlikely and defending champion Wild Oats XI will have a battle on its hands to take line honors.
    "It's going to be a very tricky race, don't rip up your tickets until the death," said Wild Oats skipper Mark Richards.
    "There's a big variation in designs, and each boat will have favored conditions for themselves at some time, and not so much down the track." Anthony Bell from rival supermaxi Perpetual LOYAL said he had gone from a "little bit depressed a day or so ago" to feeling heartened by the new forecast.
    "Things are much more uncertain now, I think we're going to be in for a proper boat race," said Bell.
    The shifting weather patterns mean the 628-nautical mile dash to Hobart may be won on navigation and skill rather than sheer speed, heartening the crews of the smaller boats.
    Mystery entrant Beau Geste, from Hong Kong, is among those fancying their chances.
    "This thing is really going to be a different beast, she's a big, powerful boat, and she's going to go really well downwind," said trimmer Dave Sweet of businessman Karl Kwok's Botin 80.
    "We're a bit of a dark horse to the fleet, but she is a dark horse to us as well. We don't really know what the boat's capable of, but we'll find out in the race that's for sure."
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    From Sail-World: http://www.sail-world.com/Australia...-Race---Mixed-bag-of-weather-prospects/117859
     
  14. Baltic Bandit

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    Doug, reposting from SA is kinda tacky.
     

  15. Doug Lord
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    It just dawned on me that this is a historic race no matter who wins: the first time in the history of the Sydney-Hobart that TWO boats were making use of lifting foils-specifically designed to reduce the sailing displacement of the hull: Wild Oats XI and Beau Geste!!
    Beau Geste uses outboard angled daggerboards(see post 72 ) pioneered along with curved lifting foils on Open 60's( http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/sailboats/open-60-using-curved-lifting-foils-35710.html ) with the top of the board angled out(remember how they used to have the top angled in!) .
    And Wild Oats XI uses DSS for the first time in the Sydney-Hobart. The foil is designed to create extra righting moment while at the same time lifting the whole boat and because of the placement of the foil it helps to dampen movement in pitch.
     
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