Suggestions

[grizzly]

Ok, I have been convinced that I may have to build a larger boat to satisfy my requirements. I wanted an 8' or less boat so I didnt have to register it. However after a little more research I might be able to deal with that to have a better boat.
So here's what I am thinking. I would like a boat that would move along nicely with 2 adults, say 350# or be fairly fast with 1. I need it to be cartopable because I have nothing that can tow a trailer. I would like to be able to move it on my own so less than 120# would be nice. Lastly I would like a stitch and glue plan. Any suggestions would be nice. Boats you have built or sailed that you liked. I got a suggestion for a Manley Jounior that I liked but its probably too small for 2 and as long as I am going over 8' I might as well build a 9'-11' boat. Thanks

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Originally Posted by grizzly

Ok, I have been convinced that I may have to build a larger boat to satisfy my requirements. I wanted an 8' or less boat so I didnt have to register it. However after a little more research I might be able to deal with that to have a better boat.
So here's what I am thinking. I would like a boat that would move along nicely with 2 adults, say 350# or be fairly fast with 1. I need it to be cartopable because I have nothing that can tow a trailer. I would like to be able to move it on my own so less than 120# would be nice. Lastly I would like a stitch and glue plan. Any suggestions would be nice. Boats you have built or sailed that you liked. I got a suggestion for a Manley Jounior that I liked but its probably too small for 2 and as long as I am going over 8' I might as well build a 9'-11' boat. Thanks

The effort difference between 8-11' and anything under 16' is minimal, as is the cost. All things being equal, length means better performance and better weight carrying capability. Since you've crossed your personal 8' Rubicon, why not consider something worth the effort in terms of enjoyment, performance and utility?

I'd take a hard look at the Goat Island Skiff from Michael Storer (boatmik here). It meets and exceeds all your requirements. Unlike many designs it works well rowing, sailing and under power. With the full rig it probably is faster and more tender than you want at the beginning, but over time you can grow into it. Just reef or use a smaller sail for the first year or so.

There are lots of others to consider - PAR's designs, Jim Michalak's, Bolger/Payson etc. I guess it comes down to what generates the best gut reaction.

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[lewisboats]

Take a look at Summer Breeze. I've seen it cartopped, with two people in it (actually 3 but the tyke and mom combined equals one adult male) and it comes out of 2 sheets of ply I believe.

http://www.simplicityboats.com/summerbreeze2.htm

[grizzly]

Has anyone built a Summer breeze? If so how do you like the boat. I would like to do some inshore sailing on the California coast. Obviously on nice days and not far from land. How would this boat perform on the chop and swell that I might encounter? I also like the Picup pram and the Glen-l Bulls eye 11'. Would one of these boats be better?

[PAR]

Small sailboats, say under 16' can be towed by any car, even a smart car. A cheap Harbor Freight trailer is all they need. A Bull's Eye 11 has a few rigs, with the cat rig being the logical novice sailor's choice, then upgrade to the sloop rig as you've gained some experience. It doesn't have a lot of capacity, nor preformance potential, but is a safe, balanced little boat. A Glen-L 12 is a better choice as it has enough area to preform well once you learn how to handle it.

[grizzly]

I like the Glen l 12 but it is too heavy for me. I dont have a car with a trailer hitch and would prefer to cartop any boat i build.

[BATAAN]

Originally Posted by grizzly

I like the Glen l 12 but it is too heavy for me. I dont have a car with a trailer hitch and would prefer to cartop any boat i build.

If you must cartop, a craft similar to SUMMER BREEZE should be 100 pounds or less if you are careful in your build. My 11' garvey multi-purpose skiff at 110 pounds is overly heavy due to built in flotation tanks, and not fun to wrestle with.
Getting it on a car is not that hard, especially if you think it through.
WOODEN BOAT magazine shows several clever car top loading arrangements (why didn't I think of that) and some research on their website should give you some new ideas.
SUMMER BREEZE and others of her type under 16' are suitable for sheltered waters in moderate conditions. However, they do have enough freeboard and stability to survive quite severe transient events when properly handled.

[gonzo]

What is your boating experience and capabilities? A two person kayak would fit the bill.

[PAR]

Again, any car can pull a 16' or smaller daysailor of the type you're looking at. A simple hitch (it doesn't have to be a class 3 Reese), just a ball on a bracket, bolted to the bumper.

[Submarine Tom]

Sounds like a Laser would fit the bill.

-Tom

[grizzly]

a laser would be great but I would like to build my boat.

[gggGuest]

I think you probably ought to be looking at 12-14 feet for two adults. There's an awful lot to be said for picking a boat that exists as a class, because all the stuff like sails, gear layout and so on has been worked out over years and is readily available, and because people who already have the boats will offer assistance and support. In the UK i'd probably point you at something like the Miracle class, which seems to tick a lot of your boxes.

[grizzly]

I recently found the Spindrift dinghy by B&B yacht design. Looks like it fits all of my needs almost perfectly. I think I am going to build one of the 11' nesting models. Has anyone got any info on this boat? Likes and dislikes?

[CutOnce]

Originally Posted by grizzly

I recently found the Spindrift dinghy by B&B yacht design. Looks like it fits all of my needs almost perfectly. I think I am going to build one of the 11' nesting models. Has anyone got any info on this boat? Likes and dislikes?

I like Graham's designs very much. His web site has a forum area where you can get in touch with other builders/owners. His boats are very efficient, well thought out and fast without sacrificing stability.

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[grizzly]

Score 1 for the Spindrift. I liked the Summer breeze but I thought a v hull would be better. When I found the Spindrift it fit the bill and it is nesting as a bonus.