Sail Rig for Canoe

Discussion in 'Sailboats' started by ancient kayaker, Jun 12, 2011.

  1. ancient kayaker
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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    Hoyte, my problem too only it's even older, but if you select the text it changes the color - you probably know that but just in case . . .

    Was that Chartreuse? Looked like dog pee!
     
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    Dog pee or baby diaper green, I'm not sure. Isn't chartreuse French for baby poo?
     
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    Given the design criteria, you might try an Optimist rig.....easily obtainable.
    I use one in fresh breezes with a canoe of approx 17' loa, single leeboard to port, and steered with a paddle.

    I use an unstayed carbon fibre spar, bamboo sprit and boom, although you could clearly use it sans boom. My rig will rotate clear around to the bow so sailing by the lee in light air is feasible. If things deteriorate, can yank the whole rig out and use it as a drougue or release the boom/sprit and stow.
     
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    sigurd Pompuous Pangolin

    What about an A frame sort of rig support? Could pivot on the aka
    and extend to the bottom where it would be supported in the fore-aft
    direction - no shrouds.
    Canted planing surfaces?
    A bit of rocker and a slight angle in the rear of the amas - lift on the
    whole surface even if vaka is neutral. I think these are 29 liter.
    Pointy!
    Would have put a tad rocker in the vaka as well.
    A windsurf rig would be nice for this sort of canoe. They are made to
    automatically depower. Mine has one set of long battens and one set
    of short ones so it can be packed somewhat.
     

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    A pivoting windsurf hard wind rig, 5.5 m2.
     

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    Not to seem like a complete idiot, Sigurd. How do you change tacks on this thing?

    It appears you have to lower the sail, disconnect it from the mast, then raise it on the other side. That could be quite fun in a canoe on a blustery day. Or do you have to wear ship, letting the boom swing across the bow, down wind, like an old fashion lateen sail?
     
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    Flip it so the other end of the spar points down.
     
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    ok? :)
     

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    ancient kayaker aka Terry Haines

    Looks a bit like a lateen rig, although the figurehead has more of a Swedish look, with zero-gravity overtones.

    I thought of using a lateen rig where the boom was attached to the foredeck and there was simply no mast, which gets around the change of tack problem. The lateen sail has a nice feature; on a reach it can be rigged to generate a vertical force element to partially offset heeling, handy in a stiff breeze - and may explain how Dhows can carry such huge sails.
     
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    sigurd Pompuous Pangolin

    Both you and Sonya are looking backwards by the way, I just realized that it wasn't obvious. I don't know why, but I think you went forward to balance the boat when she boarded you.
     
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    Oops!

    Must have been looking at the wrong picture. I thought the end of the rig was just above the mast. I now see that that view is a cropped picture.
     
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    Kis

    I sailed one of the hobie 12' fishing kayaks with their rig- a small single un-stayed mast with a boomless sail and vertical battens. I was very pleased with how well it worked. I don't know the sail size but I am sure it is in their sales info. I would not want a boom or any other spar except the mast on any kayak. A simple tabernacle would allow the rig to be "dipped" and the mast could be spun to furl it. One sheet to to a single block aft seems to work just fine. The sail on the hobie worked on all points of sail and was very good to weather, something I did not expect. Find a dealer and go sail one or at least look at how it is set up, I think something very similar would work for you. ( I am not in the boat business, I just like to play with odd boats) B
     
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    Boomless and vertical battens seem like a great idea. Lazeyjacks would be the fastest way to furl I think. Here is how I'd pivot the mast.
     

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    Just put a nice fully battened 50sq ft sail on the marketplace. Has some serious roach and in really nice shape......needs as boom and likely a canoe of 17' to 18' overall, w/o reefing that is.
     
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