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Old 02-26-2009, 07:16 PM
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I haven't seen the boat out in a while - so I don't think John's sailing it much these days. I sailed on the boat a few times a couple years ago. It's a sweet boat.

I sent John a link to this thread so hopefully he'll respond. If not let me know and I can probably get you in touch with him.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:18 PM
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I haven't seen the boat out in a while - so I don't think John's sailing it much these days. I sailed on the boat a few times a couple years ago. It's a sweet boat.

I sent John a link to this thread so hopefully he'll respond. If not let me know and I can probably get you in touch with him.
Thanks for the info.

I have traded e-mails with Art and he is still interested in buying the Bus if it is available.
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Old 03-19-2009, 03:06 PM
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Here is some stuff that might be of interest (and illumination).

Smackwater Jack after launching, began by easily beating the brand new and impressive heavy displacement S&S 50 foot design Corinthian in light winds – which annoyed some of the blazer wearing set. Ross thought the Smackwater Jack’s daggerboard definitely helped the boat sail very high to windward in the light conditions but was quick to downgrade conventional boat owner fears by adding, “I’m not sure they are that big an improvement – if you put a keel on any of the new boats, they would be just as potent.” After the first Dunhill trials, which Smackwater Jack won, the rear guard set out to stop the yacht and Smackwater Jack was disqualified because of not having a category 2 safety certificate, then later was found to have insufficient cabin headroom. This meant late night alterations but this was nothing the crew was not used to (the boat, once the bare hull was received, was put into the water in five weeks) so the attractive original cabin shape was torn apart and a boxy adaptation made to meet the rules which would allow them to sail in the One Ton trials – which they also won. Later came the Southern Cross trials and the Whiting/Ross boat was expected to compete but the team was broke. Ross was frank, “We would have entered if only to get some more tune-up races but we couldn’t afford the $150 entry fee.” In the One Ton Cup, even though critics and disgruntled competitors of other conventional yachts had tried to thwart Smackwater Jack, the boat was still expected to take the Cup – but Red Lion won the series with a 2,1,1,4,3 placings. Moderate to light winds suited the light boats but a heavy weather race inflicted damage: Jenny H fell off a wave and fractured a forward ring frame which allowed topsides and stringers to collapse, Australian Farr board boat Hecate withdrew while Red Lion and Smir-Noff-Agen revealed damage when examined after the race and Smackwater Jack leaked and gave up.
This damage was perfect calibre ammunition for those who abhorred the new wave yachts and special emphasis was made on “capsizing” when the light boats broached under spinnaker. At one stage the Lidgards on Smir-Noff-Agen set a spinnaker in 50 knots of wind – so it was not surprising that the boat wiped out. The Australian Farr Wild Turkey was alongside surfing at 18 knots under main and jib alone and when they saw the Lidgards set their spinnaker and immediately get flattened, expected to never see the sistership again – but Smir-Noff-Agen recovered and went on to win the race. Jim Lidgard said to Sea Spray, “If we lift the board too far when off the wind, we start to roll but no more than a conventional keelboat. We had a couple of broaches but that was crew fault
Young’s Heatwave had rig problems, “Just before the 350 mile start in a rising south easterly gale, we fractured a spreader. Greg Elliott went up the mast to make a quick repair but by the time we got going, the fleet was out of sight in driving rain. Then strands parted on the forestay but everyone wanted to carry on, so we did, risking the rig, slogging on our own to Canoe Rock – to see committee boat Sirdar heading for shelter. We headed out to Channel Island knowing we were well back and after rounding near dusk, we set the spinnaker. The log reached 22 knots with the boat lit up like daylight from phosphorescence as we charged through the night. At daybreak we had caught the fleet and were very close to the leader. Seeing us overtaking them and into fourth place forced them to also set spinnakers. Everyone was pushing hard and it was a wild ride. We had a few broaches – but then later the wind fell away. Heatwave was not good in the light and I made our situation worse by going the wrong side of the course – and so we ended up a poor fifth. But I was happy, we had shown that Heatwave was the fastest of them all in a blow.”
Is the information indicated in your post from the book "The Yacht With No Name"? Or are these personal remembrances? I'm curious, as I own the now vintage Farr designed boat Wild Turkey mentioned in your post. Regardless I find your posts fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 03-19-2009, 03:46 PM
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Is the information indicated in your post from the book "The Yacht With No Name"? Or are these personal remembrances? I'm curious, as I own the now vintage Farr designed boat Wild Turkey mentioned in your post. Regardless I find your posts fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

I think the info is from Gary's own self-pulished book "Light Brigade".

Is the Wild Turkey you own actually the One Tonner (36'er) mentioned? I recall a Farr Half Tonner (30'er) called Wild Turkey that sailed in the HT NAs in SF in 1977. If it is the One Ton, when did it come to the USA, and under what name?

FYI, we have tried to contact John about Magic Bus via the e-mail you provided, but so far have not been able to get in touch. Do you know any other way to contact him?
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:46 PM
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She's an old one tonner, 36 feet, and a near sistership to Sweet Okole. The boat came to San Francisco in the early 80's for the Big Boat series after having done the SORC. I first sailed on the boat shortly after she arrived in the Bay Area. She was still called Wild Turkey then. She was bought about a year later by Bob Burkett, who unfortunately died shortly after buying the boat. Bob’s son then started sailing the boat and over the years made some modifications to the boat including opened up the back of the cockpit. The son also renamed the boat Bimbo. At some point there was a fire below and the owners son decided to bail on the project and sold the boat to another local gentleman. The next owner patched the boat together, and sailed the boat in the mid to late 90's and then injured himself and the boat fell idle. I noticed the boat in 2001 and decided I didn't have enough to do and so bought the boat. I sailed the boat briefly and then started to refurbish her, which has turned into an endless project, finding one thing after another that needs attention. I cut out the main bulkhead and chain-plate bulkheads and replaced as they had been damaged in the fire. I also rebuilt the doghouse and portions of the deck that had also been damaged. While replacing parts of the deck I discovered that the glass membrane on the deck was delaminating from the wood (probably from the fire) and so stripped the old membrane off and re-glassed the deck. I getting close to being ready for paint and then will have to re-install all the plumbing and wiring, engine, rigging, etc, but hope to have the boat sailing again in the next year or so.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:47 PM
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Sorry forgot about your last question. I'll see if I can find a phone number for current owner of Magic Bus.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:53 PM
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Here is a PDF of Light Brigade.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:55 PM
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She's an old one tonner, 36 feet, and a near sistership to Sweet Okole. The boat came to San Francisco in the early 80's for the Big Boat series after having done the SORC. I first sailed on the boat shortly after she arrived in the Bay Area. She was still called Wild Turkey then. She was bought about a year later by Bob Burkett, who unfortunately died shortly after buying the boat. Bob’s son then started sailing the boat and over the years made some modifications to the boat including opened up the back of the cockpit. The son also renamed the boat Bimbo. At some point there was a fire below and the owners son decided to bail on the project and sold the boat to another local gentleman. The next owner patched the boat together, and sailed the boat in the mid to late 90's and then injured himself and the boat fell idle. I noticed the boat in 2001 and decided I didn't have enough to do and so bought the boat. I sailed the boat briefly and then started to refurbish her, which has turned into an endless project, finding one thing after another that needs attention. I cut out the main bulkhead and chain-plate bulkheads and replaced as they had been damaged in the fire. I also rebuilt the doghouse and portions of the deck that had also been damaged. While replacing parts of the deck I discovered that the glass membrane on the deck was delaminating from the wood (probably from the fire) and so stripped the old membrane off and re-glassed the deck. I getting close to being ready for paint and then will have to re-install all the plumbing and wiring, engine, rigging, etc, but hope to have the boat sailing again in the next year or so.
I knew there were a couple of Farr 36 OTs in SF, Bodacious and Petard. I never knew Wild Turkey was there as well. Very cool.

I will check my copy of the "No Name" book and see if there are any good photos of WT. If so, I can post and e-mail to you (in larger format than we are allowed to post). I know there is at least one photo showing WT going upwind near B195.

So from that small 1977 OTC group Mr. Jumpa (2nd), Jenny H, B195 (4th), and WT all came to the states.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:55 PM
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Sorry forgot about your last question. I'll see if I can find a phone number for current owner of Magic Bus.
Thank you very much.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:04 PM
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Here is a PDF of Light Brigade.
Thank you very much Gary.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:10 PM
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I knew there were a couple of Farr 36 OTs in SF, Bodacious and Petard. I never knew Wild Turkey was there as well. Very cool.

I will check my copy of the "No Name" book and see if there are any good photos of WT. If so, I can post and e-mail to you (in larger format than we are allowed to post). I know there is at least one photo showing WT going upwind near B195.

So from that small 1977 OTC group Mr. Jumpa (2nd), Jenny H, B195 (4th), and WT all came to the states.
Thanks for checking for photos. Petard still sails very regularly as does Bodacious, although Bodacious is a 40 footer. Bodacious came to the Bay Area to do the one ton worlds in the late 80's, if I remember correctly.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:15 PM
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Thanks for checking for photos. Petard still sails very regularly as does Bodacious, although Bodacious is a 40 footer. Bodacious came to the Bay Area to do the one ton worlds in the late 80's, if I remember correctly.

You are right, Bodacious was a 30.55 rater and came over for the '84 or '85 Worlds.

I'll check and put up the photo(s) after I get home tonight.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:24 PM
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Light Brigade

Sorry Dahrens, forgot to include the covers and measurements, 3 more PDF's.
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File Type: pdf light brigade 3 black.pdf (490.7 KB, 106 views)
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:29 PM
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Sorry Dahrens, forgot to include the covers and measurements, 3 more PDF's.
Thanks again Gary. I can't wait to dig into your book which I'll do tonight.
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:39 PM
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Thanks for checking for photos. Petard still sails very regularly as does Bodacious, although Bodacious is a 40 footer. Bodacious came to the Bay Area to do the one ton worlds in the late 80's, if I remember correctly.
Here are the pictures of Wild Turkey.
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