Old Quarter Tonners -Magic Bus

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Paul Kotzebue

I remember sailing on a Mull 30 against Oooh No! in 1978. Oooh No! was a very fast boat for that time.

I believe she was THE small IOR boat to try and beat in the very competitive fleet in the Bay in those days, whipping even the Farr One Tons in the area.

On top of being the most advanced design at the time she was also sailed by a very talented bunch, led by Chris Corlett.

If she could have gone to the Worlds in '77 or '78 she would have had a great chance of winning.

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Gary Baigent

I only know of Britton Chance's Fous du Vous (You're Crazy) an SORC boat - and that was back in the late 1970's. Paul B might know of more.

It took a bit of looking, but here is a photo of the board layout of Fou de Vous.

From what I understand it had dual bilgeboards AND a centerline board.


The Irwin Voodoo also had dual boards.


The Irwin was well sailed by Ted Irwin at the '75 SORC and finished 8th in the One Ton class. The Chance boat finished 10th of 12 in the class. The top 3 boats were of the Peterson Ganbare type (Stinger, Country Woman, and Inflation). A Holland, Bootlegger, was 4th.

[CRM]

My post of the King 48 footer Hawkeye #366 is connected to my earlier posts #333 and #350 showing The King 35 foot board boat Terrorist. It has been siting quietly near my shop here in Port Townsend, Wa. This boats owner contact info is in an earlier post. He wants to sell the boat.

The picture of Hawkeye was taken at the pre-Big boat series, in 1975 called the Perpetual Trophy Regatta. In SF.Ca. David Cuckler, Newport Harbor, Ca. was the owner at the time. Where she is at now ????????????

crm

[Gary Baigent]

Originally Posted by Paul B

It took a bit of looking, but here is a photo of the board layout of Fou de Vous.

From what I understand it had dual bilgeboards AND a centerline board.


The Irwin Voodoo also had dual boards.


The Irwin was well sailed by Ted Irwin at the '75 SORC and finished 8th in the One Ton class. The Chance boat finished 10th of 12 in the class. The top 3 boats were of the Peterson Ganbare type (Stinger, Country Woman, and Inflation). A Holland, Bootlegger, was 4th.

Great gumshoe work Paul - I remember a page somewhere of Fous du Vous in my ridiculous collection of ripouts showing a similar image of the triple foils at deck level - but seems to be lost - was from Yacht/Racing Cruising or Sail. The Irwin boat seems to be of a similar hull type to the Chance boat with the hard edged, chine and slab sides. Interesting developments, lifting bilge boards, interior ballast, hard turning hull shapes .... has it really died - seems still to be some nutters around who are fascinated and want to read about such stuff. Well, it is interesting, damn it.

[booster]

Hi!
Boatnames like Voodoo of the Irwin-design are really cool. Bergström-Ridder designed an R6 with the same name, which won the the World Championship. Paul B and Gary B, I see you mention the OTC class SORC '75. We shall not forgot the SORC winner '76 in that class, Agnes by Peter Norlin:

www.omega42.org/Historien%20om%20Omega%20422.asp

"Vi gjorde A-linjen där jag hade en annan behandling av akterstationerna än mina kollegor Doug Peterson och Ron Holland. Den blev väldigt lyckosam och vi vann många kappseglingar med den."

"Det är ju en balanssport det här. Det gäller att memorera när det går riktigt bra, hur man hade skotat och försöka komma ihåg det. Det var en gång vi seglade Agnes i SORC och hade en båt nere i lä och så låg vi timme efter timme utan att nånting ändrade sig. Så vi bestämde att vi måste hitta på något och så flyttade vi fram skotpunkten en liten bit - och så poff sa det och dom var borta långt akteröver!"

Paul B seems to understand Swedish, for other interested readers a translation will follow in a later post. I promise. That I can assure you.
Regards,
Booster

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by booster

Hi!
Paul B and Gary B, I see you mention the OTC class SORC '75. We shall not forgot the SORC winner '76 in that class, Agnes by Peter Norlin:

It is too bad Norlin didn't compete in '75. As mentioned, it was a very competitive One Ton class that year. Dennis Connor won, Bob Barton second, with other good programs from Peterson and Holland. Hell, the Class E (below One Ton) was also won by a Peterson One Tonner rating 27.4, and they were 4th overall in the Fleet.

In '76 only one Peterson One Tonner (Barton's re-sold Kindred Spirit) was in the class Agnes won, and they were not a top team. Agnes very narrowly beat one of the two Holland boats, and that one was a charter by a Spanish group.

In '76 some of the previous year's One Ton best were racing in the Two Ton class, with North winning in the Peterson Williwaw (that year's 2 Ton Worlds winner as well) from Holland's Golden Dazy (Canada's Cup winner), Peterson's Ricochet ('75 Two Ton World's champ), and the Peterson 42 Barbarian in 4th.

Originally Posted by booster

Paul B seems to understand Swedish, for other interested readers a translation will follow in a later post. I promise. That I can assure you.
Regards,
Booster

No, I don't understand Swedish, but I can use on-line translation devices.

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by CRM

My post of the King 48 footer Hawkeye #366 is connected to my earlier posts #333 and #350 showing The King 35 foot board boat Terrorist. It has been siting quietly near my shop here in Port Townsend, Wa. This boats owner contact info is in an earlier post. He wants to sell the boat.

The picture of Hawkeye was taken at the pre-Big boat series, in 1975 called the Perpetual Trophy Regatta. In SF.Ca. David Cuckler, Newport Harbor, Ca. was the owner at the time. Where she is at now ????????????

crm

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Hawkeye was reportedly stolen from her slip about 20 years ago. This was after the IOR rule changes made the boat non-competitive and the original owner had sold it on.

There were rumors at the time that it was not stolen, but was "disappeared" for insurance money (as happened with the Davidson 50 Great Fun). So if you want to find it today you will need probably need to check the sea floor somewhere off the California coastline.

[booster]

Translation of my earlier post regarding Norlin's Agnes at SORC '76.

"We did the A-line: Accent, Amoress Agnes, Aida (boosters comment) with a different treatment of the rear girt-stations than my collegues Doug Peterson and Ron Holland. It beacme very succesful and we won many races with it.

"Well, it is a balancesport. One has to memorize the trim you have when it goes really well. The way you are seeting and so on. When we sailed SORC with Agnes we had a boat strait down to lee-ward. We were sailing like this for some hours without anything changing. Thus, we decided to ádjust the trim. The genoa traveller was moved forward a small distance. And poff they we left far behind!"

Regards,
Booster

[tullospaul]

Originally Posted by Paul B

As mentioned earlier in this thread, Hawkeye was reportedly stolen from her slip about 20 years ago. This was after the IOR rule changes made the boat non-competitive and the original owner had sold it on.

There were rumors at the time that it was not stolen, but was "disappeared" for insurance money (as happened with the Davidson 50 Great Fun). So if you want to find it today you will need probably need to check the sea floor somewhere off the California coastline.

paul b

thanks for the attachments. they were very interesting. any idea what happened to Aggresive II?

[Gary Baigent]

Phum, sorry I'm late with this, couple of shots of Cox's Bay Skimmer.

[phum]

Thanks,
looking good,simplicity itself in the rigging department.
Peter

[Paul J. Nolan]

Can there be any more certain sign of old age than nostalgia for the IOR? Next stop: senility!

Paul

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan

Can there be any more certain sign of old age than nostalgia for the IOR? Next stop: senility!

Paul

Yes, it sounds crazy.

The only thing crazier is we have not had any worldwide rating system that has been as widespread and useful since the demise of the old IOR.

This is especially true when you consider the lack of entry level opportunities for young designers, where the Quarter Ton class filled that void back in the 1970s and early 1980s.

[Paul J. Nolan]

I'm getting to be an old man now, and one thing I have become certain of...In addition to death and taxes, there will always be rating rules. From the Universal to the International to the CCA to the IOR and beyond...and we shouldn't forget the MORC, the Storm Trysail, and the Portsmouth Handicap rules. As long as man exists, there will be war and rating rules, each the height of folly.

Paul

[Paul B]

Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan

I'm getting to be an old man now, and one thing I have become certain of...In addition to death and taxes, there will always be rating rules. From the Universal to the International to the CCA to the IOR and beyond...and we shouldn't forget the MORC, the Storm Trysail, and the Portsmouth Handicap rules. As long as man exists, there will be war and rating rules, each the height of folly.

Paul

Hmmm. Something like Portsmouth isn't a measurement rule, it is a handicap system.

Aside from that fact, what is the current measurement rule that exists worldwide, as the IOR rule did?

Also, why is racing under a measurement rule folly? If it is I suppose every form of motor racing is also folly?