most seaworthy trailer sailboat?

[fcfc]

Muscadet and Serpentaire are older design that would not pass current minitransat safety rules.

Microcup are easily trailerable, but very limited on seaworthiness.


See http://www.clasezero.com/detallegaleria.asp?id=22 with removeable keel and trailerable within legal limit.

and the prototype of this production boat http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/De...arShetland.htm
The photo has been taken by a rescue team in a 1000 nautical miles race. The boat had a VHF problem, so race organisator sent rescue. The important sentence is from the rescue team "The couple appear to be in good shape and are continuing their journey." In 40 kts winds, upwind, and for 1000 nm

[Chickadee]

Muscadet and Serpentaire are older design that would not pass current minitransat safety rules.

Well does it really matter ? They have crossed more oceans than the new ones, are still sailing as we speak. They have already proved their seaworthiness anyway, so what's the matter ? They are good little boats, and minitransat new rules don't change anything about that.. Anyway they'd be surclassed, so none would try to apply !

Microcup are easily trailerable, but very limited on seaworthiness.

That's what I hear about them...

Now I have spoken with someone who had mini-transat boat with lifting keel, an italian boat, but not sure it's from the same yard you're talking about, but it seem not very succesful, not as great a "cuvée" as a Muscadet or Pogo, for example. At least he could have it near his house, on its trailer !

Another one was making passages with a centerboard Serpentaire-dériveur, he seemed a bit afraid when we talked about stability.

Well the usual minis are already a bit scary, no need to lessen stability!

[fcfc]

Originally Posted by Chickadee

Well does it really matter ? They have crossed more oceans than the new ones, are still sailing as we speak.

It is up to you.
Race organizators did not change safety rules for fun. They changed them only because they experienced real problems during 30 years of race.

Now, current mini transat have increased stability requirement, increased downflooding angle requirement, increased re righting requirement, increased man over board prevention, increased inverted survivability, increased flooded survivability.

[Chickadee]

If it is for mini-transat races, I believe a trailerable boat would not be the best choice.

fcfc:

It is up to you.

Here I don't know what you mean. Did I say the former mini rules were better ? NO! Did I say I'd prefer a Muscadet than a Pogo2? NO!

So what do you mean, it's up with me ?

Race organizators did not change safety rules for fun. They changed them only because they experienced real problems during 30 years of race.

Now, current mini transat have increased stability requirement, increased downflooding angle requirement, increased re righting requirement, increased man over board prevention, increased inverted survivability, increased flooded survivability.

Fine. But where did I suggest organisators were having fun when they talked about security? Can you read again and show me ?

No. But be honest, good boats were born before the last mini 650 elaborated their last set of security rules. When you have half the weight of the boat one meter under flotation, 25 years ago or now, that's the same thing. New rules won't change that reality.

Increased downflooding angle requirements are a good thing, but on little boats like that it doesn't mean much. Big wave don't need downflooding angle requirements to "spit" inside.

Be honest ! some old boat already had small roof holes on the top, which had even better downflooding angles than your actual requirements.

Increased rerighting requirement can not be better for boats with 1/3 more width, and the same 90° righting moment, same ballast/displacement ratio an same roof volumes. No way.

Again: I have nothing against most security rules and requirements. Never said that.

But their main goal is to keep some dangerous boat away from races.

Just please, don't be too confident in bureaucratic requirements. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE INVOLVED IN SECURITY RULES!

One more time: I have nothing against security rules and requirements. OK?

Now back to the initial object: seaworthy trailerable sailboats.

I see that the trailerable mini in your pictures always finish in the last position in races, and races are what they are built for.

I understand that you still need a crane to handle the keel, fix it to the hull and again the lifting crane to launch the boat.

The zero mini is 35000 euros with sails, add 4500 security, 9800 electricity 20-26000 electronics, pilots, 10500 optional amenagements... That adds up to more than 100'000 $US. Here.

So once again - but with some people you have to repeat yourself - a true trailerable sailboat is more something like a DAY CRUISING, lighter boat, no need for a lifting crane.

They would NOT fit into the transat rules, but so what they are trailerable behind an average car, can be launched on a ramp/slope by a single man, and some have some good nautical qualities.

Day cruising or a coastal program with beaching capabilities, that seems the kind of boats among which someone would try to select a trailerable boat, as seaworthy as possible.

Sorry for my french.