Boat Design Forums  |  Boat Design Directory  |  Boat Design Gallery  |  Boat Design Book Store  |  Thanks to Our Site Sponsors

Go Back   Boat Design Forums > Design > Sailboats
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-08-2007, 07:02 PM
LP's Avatar
LP LP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Rep: 370 Posts: 641
Location: Williamsville, NY
Input on PWC powerplant as aux. power for sailboat.

There are the obvious cautions to worry about with concern for the use of gasoline as with all gas powered boats.

It's probably just a hairbrained idea that won't leave the grey matter.

Aside from the gas issues, are there efficiency issues? Reliability issues?

Initial thinking makes me think that the jet propulsion system could be faired into the hull rather readily. It would eliminate prop drag when not in use. The power systems appear to be quite proven, though not neccessarily in this application. The components are readily available. I can just imagine the shallow draft capabilities.

But holy smokes! I just went to the SeaDoo web sight to check on HP ratings. 130HP on the two models I looked. I was figuring something in the 25-50 HP range. Do all PWC have such overgrown powerplants?

I figured in an aux. application, it could be run in the 25-50% power range and get 8-12 HP, at 130 HP, the efficiencies are just going to terrible.


I'm open for comments.
__________________
LP
----------
God bless the open minded people of the world. LP
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-09-2007, 08:29 PM
jim lee's Avatar
jim lee jim lee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Rep: 217 Posts: 338
Location: Anacortes, WA
How are you planning on solving the entire "reverse" issue running a built in jetpump?

-jim lee
__________________
J/35 No Tomorrows

Left Coast - Building a boat company from scratch.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-10-2007, 06:56 AM
catsketcher catsketcher is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Rep: 660 Posts: 664
Location: Australia
Very inefficient

Jet drives were tried on multihulls in the early 70s by Lock Crowther. They were removed because they do not work as auxiliaries.

An auxiliary is meant to move a boat slowly. It is more efficient to move twice as much water half the speed. Fast boats need to move water quickly - like Jet skis so their propulsion system will be geared to high speeds rather than low speed efficiency.

Always try to spin the biggest prop you can for motoring slowly but then the prop should be removed when sailing. This is why many cats have outboards - you can have a big prop that lifts up when you sail.

Not only will the jet ski motor be noisy and thirsty it will be very bad karma - a piece of jet ski on a sailing boat - sounds like going to the dark side.

cheers

Phil
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-10-2007, 09:49 PM
LP's Avatar
LP LP is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Rep: 370 Posts: 641
Location: Williamsville, NY
This is one of those "what if" discussions.

In all reality, if this idea made sense, it would probably been done already. I haven't really considered reverse. Some kind of calmshell device, similar to a kitchen rudder. More of a thrust reverser than a rudder. Now we are adding complexity to the equation, but maybe not so complex as a reversing gear.

My original line of thinking was that with the multitude of PWC's around, cost and availability might make it a viable auxillary power unit. I appreciate your interest.

Unfortunately, there has been a definite lack of interest in the idea and that may be an answer in itself.

Phil,
Thanks for the response. I didn't see your response until after writing the above. I understand your concern about bad karma. Anything that takes a PWC out of commission is good though right? A little dark side is OK. Your response makes total sense so that will help me to move on and deal with the phen shui issues in my latest design.

Happy sailing.
__________________
LP
----------
God bless the open minded people of the world. LP
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Almost Newbie looking for input GiMLit Sterndrives 2 12-18-2007 09:48 AM
YDS Input Lafitte Education 3 05-16-2007 10:12 AM
Need Input Zombie Boat Design 10 08-19-2006 07:18 PM
Trolling motor for aux power LP Sailboats 23 04-27-2006 12:10 PM
Input Sought: K 23 sport sailboat Billy Bones Boat Design 2 02-11-2005 12:23 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Web Site Design and Content Copyright ©1999 - 2012 Boat Design Net