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[mighetto]

Thanks Skippy (I Think.) It looks like some hacker has cut the entire subnet for the state governement offices operating out of Olympia from Sailing Anarchy. You think I had something to do with that? Wow. I am Seattle based. More likely this is related to the nude photos that were common on the site. The State of Washinton routinely filters out such sites. Probably has nothing to do with me. I will check from my home office. How very interesting.

[skinny boy]

Gee, I guess I didn't have to give names. I will be happy to forward an email to the editor to let him know you will be talking to him about slander.

You were chucked from Sailing Anarchy for your behaviour and according to the rules on here you should be chucked from here also.

Once again I did not misread your post. There is no such prohibition of chines in PHRF. Show me the proof otherwise once again you are deliberately stating a falsehood.

You are not a captain. Do not refer to yourself as such.

Since there is clear evidence to the fact that you were banned, maybe it is time for you to stop the lies. Everything you say is a lie. Not one thing that anyone has called you on has turned out to have any truth to it. As a management consultant you should hope the people who pay you don't ever do any due diligence on you. They will not like the results of a google search.

[mighetto]

If the Mac did 17 knots under sail in the real world, it would have a negative PHRF rating, not one in the 200s. Period. Get over it.

Mine has a PHRF of 240. The cirtificate came in just recently. Here is the rating proplem. Unballasted the boat probably comes in with a PHRF of 130. I say this because of negotiations with my rater. That is rediculous. The rating tools clearly are off. The Mac26x is not a racer. She is a fast cruiser nonetheless. I know it is hard to believe. But I get her in double digits regularly. 17 MPH is well recognized as possible by owners. Check the MacGregor Yacht forums. You need not take my word on this. Others will state similarly.

The skater analogy you keep using is ludicrous. Yeah, the skater bringing their arms in makes the spin faster. Rotating 90 degrees to make arms (horizontal) analagous to keels (vertical), the Mac should roll over faster. Which is does. Congratulations, you have proven your beloved boat to be prone to spinning over onto its side and throwin everyone in the water.

You have it backwards. Bringing weight to the centerline will make the boat faster and less stable.

Obviously you're just a troll posting crazy shit to make people respond to you. If you're under the impression this is not painfully obvious, you should drop it. Of course, you won't, and will ramble on incoherently about it, but that's because you simply won't give up, because you're a sociopath. You lack the normal reaction to 'I am so busted, butt-naked in the snow and everyone knows it' which is to give up, go home, and go find some NEW PEOPLE to try to trick. No, you will keep trying to trick us into thinking you're not merely a troll, and we will continue to watch in wide-eyed wonder as you stand naked all the while insisting you are clothed.

I think myself the child who sees that the king has no cloths. Those in the circle were trained not to see the obvious. The weaver made out like a bandit. All that invisible cloth. All that lead. It is the exact same thing.

Like all trolls, you thrive on attention, and die when starved of it. Eventually, we will tire of you, and starve you shall. Until then, I shall refute your points when it occurs to me, and mock you for your nakedness.

Cheers!

Eventually you will forget me. Then you will have an idea. You will think it came out of no place; then you will be ready for a revolutionary design, like the Mac26x. Or, you will wonder like the fellow at the boat show on Saturday, why your son views the Mac26x in wonder and auw, even as you complain of the indignity because everyone knows the X is not a real sail boat.

I do this for fun. I hope to also learn about boat design. Sorry you see me as a troll. There is a long history of me on the net. The boat is still relatively unknown. I never tire of bragging about them. But you can always read the cruising log.

[skinny boy]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Thanks Skippy (I Think.) It looks like some hacker has cut the entire subnet for the state governement offices operating out of Olympia from Sailing Anarchy. You think I had something to do with that? Wow. I am Seattle based. More likely this is related to the nude photos that were common on the site. The State of Washinton routinely filters out such sites. Probably has nothing to do with me. I will check from my home office. How very interesting.

This is a falsehood yet again. If you are in Seattle then why do you have to wait to check when you get to your home office? Oh wait thats right you are working in Olympia. Of all the things you have said this is the one that makes you look the most delusional. You may need some professional help as it seems you have problem far beyond the Mac26 or Jim Teeters. Seek help.

And thanks for the skater analogy to prove just how fast the water ballasted Mac26 will roll over. Especially if you pull the centerboard up and move the CG even closer pulling those arms in a little tighter. Maybe you should have been the expert witness in the trail. That analogy would have clearly showed the design weakness of the Mac26x.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by skinny boy

This is a falsehood yet again. If you are in Seattle then why do you have to wait to check when you get to your home office? Oh wait thats right you are working in Olympia. Of all the things you have said this is the one that makes you look the most delusional. You may need some professional help as it seems you have problem far beyond the Mac26 or Jim Teeters. Seek help.

And thanks for the skater analogy to prove just how fast the water ballasted Mac26 will roll over. Especially if you pull the centerboard up and move the CG even closer pulling those arms in a little tighter. Maybe you should have been the expert witness in the trail. That analogy would have clearly showed the design weakness of the Mac26x.

I am currently in Olympia. That should be obvious. I will be in Seattle and at the dentist. Have fun chewing on my stuff and lighten up.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by skinny boy

Gee, I guess I didn't have to give names. I will be happy to forward an email to the editor to let him know you will be talking to him about slander.

You were chucked from Sailing Anarchy for your behaviour and according to the rules on here you should be chucked from here also.

Once again I did not misread your post. There is no such prohibition of chines in PHRF. Show me the proof otherwise once again you are deliberately stating a falsehood.

You are not a captain. Do not refer to yourself as such.

Since there is clear evidence to the fact that you were banned, maybe it is time for you to stop the lies. Everything you say is a lie. Not one thing that anyone has called you on has turned out to have any truth to it. As a management consultant you should hope the people who pay you don't ever do any due diligence on you. They will not like the results of a google search.

Skinny, just back down a little will you? This is all in fun. You did a fine job with me today.

[skinny boy]

Telling lies on the Internet may be fun to you but it is not useful nor fun for the rest of us that actually care to learn something.

Maybe it is time for you to step away as you have nothing of substance to offer here.

[SailDesign]

Frankie, Babie.... "Of course you have to be technically correct. The stability curves of a keel boat and of a twin keel boat are going to be different. In fact the water ballasted represented in the Mac26x has BETTER stability curves IMO. But of course I need the manufacturer to help me generate those curves."

If the Mac26X has a point of vanishing stability of 90 degrees or more, I would be VERY surprised. If you tip it upside down (that's with its centreboard pointing straight up, if it will stay there instead of falling back into its slot) will it turn itself back upright again? If you touch its masthead to the water, will it come back up from that? I would be surprised.
Almost every fin-keeled racing yacht out there will, with the possible exception of an older style of Swan 50-something which has - you guessed it! - a centreboard instead of a fin keel. PLEASE do yourself a favour and read up a bit on what makes a sailing boat stay upright, which is the same thing that gives it power, and that thing is righting moment. Think of the fin keel, and the ballast in it, as the person on the other end of the seesaw, and yourself as the wind in the sails. If the other person moves close to the pivot (like putting all your ballast inside the boat) then you will hit the ground hard (capsizing), when you are both at the same distance (or have the same moment relative to the pivot), then everything is balanced.
Just think about it....

If you do not know what is meant by the word "moment" in this context, then you should not open your mouth about stability until you have proved that you understand the concept. Really.

Steve

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Hey I do reserve the right to change my mind. But lets close with the point by point. It is productive.

Quote: Originally Posted by Spaghetto
11-01-2004
Duty calls. .... I will not enjoy this, but what choice do I have? I must go forward with a sense of noblesse oblige.

Something wrong with that?

...

Frank.

Frank, let's try to keep our roles here clearly in mind, shall we? YOU are the idiot, I am the bemused observer. If you think you're going to drag me into a point by point discussion, you are sadly mistaken. The ridiculous and stupid things you say are self-evident. And you have been corrected so many times about the wrong things that it's like a broken record.

Here is a question for you though: During your recent vacation in the Galapagos Islands, how many of the Transpacific capable Mac26X's did you see bobbing around at anchor (skittering like a trimaran...) or cruising among the islands? With 5000 of them afloat, and with the admirable ocean crossing characteristics you rave about, there were surely at least one or two. And don't tell me you didn't look for them.

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by amolitor

If the Mac did 17 knots under sail in the real world, it would have a negative PHRF rating, not one in the 200s. Period. Get over it.

According to Frank, the Mac doesn't do 17 knots . It does 17 MPH . In this case "MPH" stands for "Meters per hour".

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Thanks Skippy (I Think.) It looks like some hacker has cut the entire subnet for the state governement offices operating out of Olympia from Sailing Anarchy. You think I had something to do with that? Wow. I am Seattle based. More likely this is related to the nude photos that were common on the site. The State of Washinton routinely filters out such sites. Probably has nothing to do with me. I will check from my home office. How very interesting.

Sorry big guy. You were banned for being an idiot.

SA is not filtered by DIS. This I know for a fact.

Edit: Sorry. I hate people that use acronyms. Don't want to be one of them.

SA = Sailing Anarchy (where franko was banned)
DIS = Department of Information Services (the state agency that controls most of the state of Washington network services. One of the most secure network around short of the Internal Revenue Service and the network Franko thinks was hacked.)

[pkoken]

This thread just keeps getting better....

[skinny boy]

[quote=mighetto]If the Mac did 17 knots under sail in the real world, it would have a negative PHRF rating, not one in the 200s. Period. Get over it.

Mine has a PHRF of 240. The cirtificate came in just recently. Here is the rating proplem. Unballasted the boat probably comes in with a PHRF of 130. I say this because of negotiations with my rater. That is rediculous. The rating tools clearly are off. The Mac26x is not a racer. [quote]

Prove you rater has ever said the Mac26 would be close to 130. What is your rater's name? Besides a 130 rating is a very average rating for displacement NON-planing keelboats. None of the boats rated at 130 will do 15 knots planing. So even if the tools are off they still rate your boat just like an old lead mine. Must be nice to have a revolutionary boat with such a gift rating that any moron who only needs to know how to raise the sails and point the boat towards the mark could win with. How have you done racing? You should be just cleaning up, if the boat is anything except a dog, with a rating of 240 and regularly doing double digits. A J-24 rates 168 and doesn't do double digits regularly. You should be killing those guys. There is nothing wrong with the tools for rating no matter which way you slice it the tools are calling the boat SLOW. The Melges 24 a smaller boat than yours with only a fixed keel and no water ballast rates 75. Do show us just how fast this Mac26 is post your race results.

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by skinny boy

Do show us just how fast this Mac26 is post your race results.

That's funny.

He's never done anything except come in dead last (except one time when a boat in his fleet dropped out). With a gift rating like he thinks he has, he should have done better don't ya think?

[mistral]

to all guys except Mighetto, Please stop posting here. Frankie will cover us with his BS as long as somenone will keep on posting. My advice is not to post anymore and to erase all your previous post; this will make Frank lose interest in plaguing this thread and, i hope, this forum; it's a pain for me to see how many clever people lose their time trying to deal with mighetto's absurd theories and statements; simply he won't listen to you nor to anyone else, so Please stop posting here

Mistral