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[skinny boy]

Originally Posted by mighetto

I tell you what, get the SSSS BB back on line. It has been hacked badly by Crank Boy and Tripp Gal after I suggested they may have been behind problems you had collecting donations at the bar during the last SSSS general meeting. I tell you these folks are not your friends.

Well, perhaps all is well from your view. I was fortunate in printing out a screen shot with their handles on line during the time of the hacking. A fellow named pond sailor was also online. Probably an innocent. Isn't this boatdesign forum fine? We have had none of that hacking here and even some anarchy free discussions. Huzzah Huzzah. BTW, I have been notified that I have until Friday to protest Trip Gal and Crank Boy's behaviour under rules for unsportsman like conduct on the Internet. I suppose I will just hand deliver that, unless the SSSS BB is restored by end of business day. In that case, good gag but a real need for security on the SSSS BB.

Accusing people of committing a crime is pretty bold. I trust you have proof to back up your claims. If I were them I would get a lawyer and I would sue you and SSSS. Apparently that is the only way you will learn anything from your behaviour.

By the way, there are no "rules for unsportman like conduct on the Internet". I think you should definitely protest. I would like to go to that hearing. Please post the date and time. I will fly in for such an entertaining time. Making false allegations is liable under the law and those people will have the last laugh if they chose to excercise their rights.

So I did a search for the SSSS board and see that it is only for a single race and nothing else. Apparently it has not been restored and is after the business day so when is the protest hearing time. Under what rules is the protest being done? Who is the convening authority and what rule is being alledged broken?

This should rise to the ranks of admiralty law in a hurry I am sure the Supreme Court will want to rule on this.

It is not a sportsman rule you are accusing people of it is a federal felony offense. I would make sure you have your protest form filled out correctly.

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by mighetto

It has been hacked badly by Crank Boy and Tripp Gal after I suggested they may have been behind problems you had collecting donations at the bar during the last SSSS general meeting. I tell you these folks are not your friends.

Well, you're wrong about that Frank. My advice to you would be to shut your cake hole on that subject.

Originally Posted by mighetto

unless the SSSS BB is restored by end of business day

It won't be. Thanks to you for the most part. Did you read the moderators message to you before it was shut down? Didn't think so.

[frankofile]

Hey, this sounds good! How did Frankie manage to pollute the SSSS BB???

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by frankofile

Hey, this sounds good! How did Frankie manage to pollute the SSSS BB???

Just by being himself. Drove the poor moderator (who is a good friend of mine) nuts trying to keep up with his BS. Wasn't worth the effort and I don't blame him for shutting it down. I would have.

[pkoken]

How did you do it Frank?

Did you pollute yet another electronic medium with you incessant meaningless, baseless gibberish until finally the owners of said medium could take it no longer?

[pkoken]

Originally Posted by FranksaDork

Just by being himself. Drove the poor moderator (who is a good friend of mine) nuts trying to keep up with his BS. Wasn't worth the effort and I don't blame him for shutting it down. I would have.

Ha! I guessed correctly!!

[Reemul]

Tell me everyone, Am I crazy for not wanting Frank to post pictures of my boat? I fully believe that Frank has the right to free speech. However, I have my own ideas about sailing. Once in a great while I can find something that he says that I agree with. Most of the time I don't agree. And I don't want to it to be thought that by the use of pictures of my boat, that I support his views.
Frank, Why couldn't you have just said, "I'm sorry I didn't know it bothered you and wont do it again" Instead, You gave a F**k you answer and made wild accusations that have no basis in fact. I may have supported you at times before, but never again.

Scott Awalt
Sugar Magnolia
S2 7.9 #253

[SeaDrive]

On the subject of moveable foils, I think you have confused on thing with another. I think there is a general prohibition against foils that rotate to get a better angle of attack, and limitations on trim tabs. And, there has traditionally been a prohibition against moving ballast (aside from crew) that is left over from the days of sandbaggers. However, centerboards and daggerboards that are not heavy enough to have much ballast effect can be moved.

The "prohibition" against moving heavy foils is really for boats like the Tripp 26 that are keel boats designed so the keel can be lifted for trailering. Boats like this may have inadequate stability with the keel up, so the keel must be kept in the down position while racing. It's really enforced via rating: the rating is given for the boat with the keel in the down position. I think there are some grey areas. There was a discussion on SA about racing the S2 7.9 downwind with the keel raised. I would have thought that was prohibited, but I have no special knowledge of the class, or of the details on a PHRF rating certificate.

With respect to the large crews used on some of the big boats, there is a tension between technology and sociology. Remember that the owners of these boats tend to be captains of industry who are good at collecting and organizing teams; it's what they do at work, and it's what they do at play. For them, it is a way of using their particular skills and the power of their large purses to set themselves above the common throng. A lot of races now have crew weight limits, and most boats would sneak another man along if they could. Still, an Open 60 with one man aboard can outsail a lot of heavily manned boats of similar length.

[Reemul]

The S2 7.9 has been designed to pull the board downwind and it is done in one design racing (Class regattas, NOODs, etc.). I have been told this is because it can have the possiblity of "tripping over the daggerboard". It is self righting with the board up due to the fact it carries 1150 lbs of ballast along with the 600lb daggerboard. I have not tried sailing with the board up but have talked to 7.9 sailors who have and they say the boat is very stable when sailed that way. I intend to try it this summer on a non-race day.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by FranksaDork

Just by being himself. Drove the poor moderator (who is a good friend of mine) nuts trying to keep up with his BS. Wasn't worth the effort and I don't blame him for shutting it down. I would have.

Hey, the moderator is a fellow named Rich. He was not allowed to do his job and the person who gifted the BB to SSSS took it on himself to moderate. He shouldn't have been involved. I spent one and a half hours discussing the situation with him on the phone last night, because he has read very little of my posts or my web site, and I also consider him a friend for teaching my wife about sailing and taking the photos of Murrelet that I am so proud of.

While not part of the conversation, it is my opinion that he took a lot of heat from the fellow who started the failing Sailing Anarchy Forum for gifting the board to SSSS. So much heat that he now regrets the donation. Sailing Anarchy really is about supporting TP52s and disparaging R Coutts. Oh, go to the TP52 site and click on the many links that claim to support a TP52. These boats do not exist. It is so pathetic.

However, I am the only one that is suppose to think that the SSSS board is shut down. If that is not the case and others can not view the threads there, I would like to know. I can live with out access until it is dealt with through a protest that is now being drafted. Please email me at mighetto@eskimo.com if you see what I see: IE

You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information.

when accessing http://www.pacificfog.net/phpbb/index.php,
Thanks.

It is one thing to denigh access to some one who through thier membership dues paid for that access it is another thing to denigh access to over 500 sailors who have paid for that access and to the sailors that they hope to interact with who have not yet extended financial support.

[frankofile]

So they actually banned you from your own club's bulletin board. That's awesome! One day that will happen here.

As for your completely unsubstantiated, inaccurate, and idiotic rant against SA, all I can think to say is:

GOD YOU'RE A DICK FRANKIE.

[pkoken]

Frank, do you ever stop think why it is that so many people have issue with your personal points of view? Do you honestly believe it is because you are a genius and that you (and your good friend Roger MacGregor) see things that nobody else can?



You have come to a forum dedicated to yacht design, and once here you begin to offer your unsolicited advice to experts on this subject... maybe this has something to do with it... maybe...

[mighetto]

Philip, you are going to be very pleased with what I am doing for this sport. You need not believe me. Just watch. I know what I am doing. If I end up building Mac26x copies, or some one else does, it will not mater to me. This is my first year as a sailboat racer and I already have accomplished more than many with 10 or more years racing. PS - there are fewer dump people on the West Coast of the US.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

PS - there are fewer dump people on the West Coast of the US.

We (the East Coast) rest our case.......

Dump that, migho.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

So they actually banned you from your own club's bulletin board. That's awesome! One day that will happen here. As for your completely unsubstantiated, inaccurate, and idiotic rant against SA, all I can think to say is: GOD YOU'RE A DICK FRANKIE.

No that is incorrect. The doner of the board has just had enough. Not from me. I am not the one causing him trouble. But others have hounded him by telephone. He is looking for a board member to step up and tell him he is out of the loop. A Board Member other than me. These situations are always difficult when they involve an endowment from a wealthy individual. This will be resolved by normal procedures set forth by the rules of racing. If you would like to dicuss my protest strategy then just say so. I think it is a good one. Even if Tripp Gal et al are not banned from racing the rest of the season, the behavior will be on file for the next fellow that is wronged by them. If I were the only one, I would say - perhaps it is me. But I am not.