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[mighetto]

Originally Posted by pkoken

Let us convene the Church of the Deluded & Idiotic...

First order of business is to promote our (sole) congregation member Frank Mighetto to chief ArchBishop, head voodoo priest-king-of-the-highest Huzzah, Huzzah!

Let us open the Church of FOYD (Future of Yacht Design) instead. Chief Idiot Frank Presiding. Remember Fat Tuesday is over. It is Ash Wednesday. May I suggest giving up the character assassinations for Lent? Now from the well of souls - er soles - you know the TP52 thread. Our opening prayer:

Hi Andrew,
I work with Catia every day. I'm curious why you feel it is not a good boat design software? Also, just so you know, this question is for my own education, Not to support any of Frank's notions about sailing.


Scott, has been holding back all these years! Thank the Lord that he has found a voice. Perhaps this idiot me will be able to speak more softly in the future. I hate being a ball hog.

The Mac26x was reported to have been Catia born. She is said by dealers to be the most symetrical of all the yachts produced by the company and by the former Ford Aerospace employee Roger MacGregor, because once one side was drawn out on Catia, the mirror image was used for the other.

Scott and I happen to live in the area where the BMW/Oracle AC boats are being built. I just returned from Sedro Wolly where the mold sets are being created. The layup is also to be done in area, at Anecortes. Sedro Wolly is a community well known to motor cyclists on the Cascade Loop, a scenic highway Loop in Washington State. It is full of Tar Heals (like me - I am a native of North Carolina) and is near "Gods Country" in the film This Boys Life. It is also close to Aircraft manufacturing facilities working on composits. Great place for Yamahas as well as BMWs.

I was there for the Upper Skagit Bald Eagle Festival and to visit a sick crew member. Very tight lipped these AC boat designers. But you can feel the energy already. There are reasons to give what I post at least a small amount of analysis. Just the place in which I sail is dominating the boat design and build efforts in this (US) nation. Huzzah Huzzah indead! Was it not grate to hear those words prior to the superbowl.

[mistral]

too much whiskey for Frankie

Mistral

[frankofile]

Character assassination? You don't have character Frank, you are a character. You're a *****.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by mistral

too much whiskey for Frankie
Mistral

Rum, Mount Gay of course. The Kiss Me Arse Syndicate has a new sponsor! The happenstance regarding Scott's delivery of free alcohal last night need not be gotten into. Lets just say the Lord was at work and wanted Mardi Gras well observed. Where are my beads?????

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

Character assassination? You don't have character Frank, you are a character. You're a *****.

On the level of President Bush (known in Canada as a *****), I hereby accept the nomination. Even a ***** can serve as a messenger.

Graham, the sailor of Dove, which is portrayed as a Ranger 23 in the film, is alive and well and living in Montana. He is sailing Thistles today, still married to the same sweetee. Happy Valentines day Lover. Lets not think of massacres

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

The Mac26x was reported to have been Catia born. She is said by dealers to be the most symetrical of all the yachts produced by the company and by the former Ford Aerospace employee Roger MacGregor, because once one side was drawn out on Catia, the mirror image was used for the other.

Well, according to you, dealers don't represent the manufacturer. But maybe what they were really saying, if your head had not been so full of **** that you couldn't hear straight, was that the other boats MacG made were even worse piles of crap.

Originally Posted by mighetto

The Kiss Me Arse Syndicate has a new sponsor!

So you think you speak for for Team Kiss Me Arse now, eh? What, did Guy LeDouche finally stop boning Mrs. Frank and hire you back on? I doubt it. He seems to have a lot of fun with her.

Leave religion and politics alone - there are enough problems in those sphere's already. Show us more pictures of what you think planing is. That's always good for a laugh.

[skinny boy]

Frank thinks he speaks for Team Kiss Me Arse, MacGregor, MacGregor dealers, SSSS and the West Coast. Probably also thinks he speaks for dead people and on certain Tuesdays God.

[Wynand N]

Gentleman, you just never learn.

This little bit of advice as a concerned friend

"Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience. To top that, a stranger passing by might not be able to tell the difference between you"

[pkoken]

Here it is! A definitive proof that the Mac26x is indeed a "PLANING" hull design-

PLANING

Note the use of the ENGINE to achieve a planing condition. Perhaps 17 mph could even be reached eventually...


NOT PLANING

Note the fact that under a (modestly sheeted) 130% genoa this boat is ready to bury the lee rail even without a significant amount of wind. One must wonder if the total sail area is in fact overshadowed by the giant exposed topsides...

[pkoken]

Here are some examples of PLANING hulls







PLANING*** (***MacGregor Yachts Definition of "Planing")

[frankofile]

Phillip, those are some great shots, but I'm afraid they show that you haven't been paying enough attention. The blue boat in the first set is actually is a Mac26M, not an X, and has completely different sailing and motoring characteristics from the X. Therefore no valid conclusiong can be drawn regarding the X .

You can always tell a 26M from an X by the double wrap-around sunglasses on the cabin. Stick around and you'll start to learn these things!

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by skinny boy

Frank thinks he speaks for Team Kiss Me Arse, MacGregor, MacGregor dealers, SSSS and the West Coast. Probably also thinks he speaks for dead people and on certain Tuesdays God.

No, no that is President Bush that has conversations with "The Father Up There". I quote MacGregor, I speak for MacGregor Yachts at the same Level as a MacGregor Yachts dealer - meaning not at all, SSSS has nothing to do with my posts on this topic, and I do not appologize about having a west coast tude. All of us Sailing Anarchists have that. Team Kiss Me Arse is my syndicate. Granted I have lost track of the French Man on J Dock. But he always turns up eventually.

[mighetto]

my favorite photo of a Mac26x is this shot from the deck.

Now tell me you would take those planing race boats up the Alaskan Inside Passage. This has been done now by more than a handfull of Mac26x boats. Get real. You are compairing cruiser racers to day sailing racers and ocean race boats. Well perhaps that is not so far off. Keep up the good work. Anarchists are welcome, as are all at the Church of FOYD. The church is now closed. However, please carry on without me. Oh, I have to prepare for what looks like a breezy passage. If you do not hear from me by Tuesday of next week blame Hunter sailboats and not MacGregor ones. The manufacturer has defined the X as a planing sailboat and the M as a surfing one. Take that for what it is or is not and be happy all.

Murrelet
casting off

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by Wynand N

Gentleman, you just never learn.
This little bit of advice as a concerned friend
"Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience. To top that, a stranger passing by might not be able to tell the difference between you"

South Africa was rumored to be producing a Mac26x knockoff. Can you confirm? In my sailing for idiots book no one is arguing here. Constructive critizism and funning and some sparks of insight. Please join in.

The above is the rudder for an I-14. The owners association decided not to go like the moths you are discussing elsewhere have, though that is also possible for an I-14. Think of the rudder as if it were an outboard. The same horozontal fins you find on ski boat outboards are evident on the I-14 fin pictured. The manufacturer doesn't like this kind of thing on Mac26x boats. But owners have run them that way. Planing under sail at lower speeds would be the result (assuming the prop had been removed). The lifting and tilting hydrolics are already part of the boat.

Do Stars plane? Stars will be racing PHRF-NW boats in the same events this season. The results of the races will be noteworthy.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

Phillip, those are some great shots, but I'm afraid they show that you haven't been paying enough attention. The blue boat in the first set is actually is a Mac26M, not an X, and has completely different sailing and motoring characteristics from the X. Therefore no valid conclusiong can be drawn regarding the X .

You can always tell a 26M from an X by the double wrap-around sunglasses on the cabin. Stick around and you'll start to learn these things!

What an informative post. Thanks, Frankofile. I obviously am not needed all the time. Others can take the ball and score. The Mac26M and the Mac19, the first power sailer, share many similar characteristics including the double wrap, the companionway, the fule lockers, the rudder brackets, and the V shape rear hull. This is the Mac19

What I think is possible is that MacGregor Yachts had put the Mac26m concept together before the Mac26x concept. In otherwords before the company drew out the Mac26x, the company had drawn out the Mac26m to appeal to those who might have owned a Mac19 or Mac26d and wanted something more advanced combining features from both. The M is an evolution in other words. This to be compared with the revolutionary design of the X which would require a different sailing style.