Incredible "Secrets of Yacht Design" website located...

[pkoken]

Let us convene the Church of the Deluded & Idiotic...

First order of business is to promote our (sole) congregation member Frank Mighetto to chief ArchBishop, head voodoo priest-king-of-the-highest

Huzzah, Huzzah!

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

The marketing material cover picture for the X (above) shows her on plane; no wave form is visible on her length. The M, (below) while cooking in good wind, is at displacement speeds as indicated by the wave form on her length. She is also being sailed at a noticable heel, more like a traditional displacement sailboat. These two pictures portray a vast difference between the sailing styles advanced in the two at-first-glance similar powersailers.

Frank, I think you by mistake posted the wrong pictures (just as you did on your webpage), because these pictures show no difference in neither wave system nor heel angle.

[gybeset]

Turds

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I think it was Ted Turner that said to a designer about the 12mtr ?Mariner's?
stern "even a turd is pointy at both ends"

Spaghettos powerboat with a mast is not turdshaped, like a powerboat it is like a turd cut in half.

Rule to know

1. turds are fast (slippery by design) like a watermelon seed
2. conversely to have no turd characteristics may be slow !!

Am I exhibiting Spaghetto-like logic, should i stop reading his design secrets NOW ??

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Do you really believe that Jim Teeter's didn't have anything to do with the halt in Mac26x production? If so why not just say so?

As I wrote in an earlier post: I don't know if Teeter's testimony had any influence on the halt in Mac26x production. Neither do you - it's just pure speculation!

Originally Posted by mighetto

No one cares to defend this man. Not even he cares do do so.

Most everything you have posted here (and elsewhere) is BS, so there's no need for Teeter or anyone else to defend him!

[pkoken]

Originally Posted by gybeset

Turds

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I think it was Ted Turner that said to a designer about the 12mtr ?Mariner's?
stern "even a turd is pointy at both ends"

Spaghettos powerboat with a mast is not turdshaped, like a powerboat it is like a turd cut in half.

Rule to know

1. turds are fast (slippery by design) like a watermelon seed
2. conversely to have no turd characteristics may be slow !!

Am I exhibiting Spaghetto-like logic, should i stop reading his design secrets NOW ??

You have missed the critical piece IMHO... Does the Turd have a D/L ratio of less than 150?

[skinny boy]

So where is the magical reference that says that D/L of less than 150 means a boat is a planing boat?

According to the Annapolis Guide to Seamanship there is no such claim. The following link also seems to indicate under 90 D/L defines a planing boat which means the poor Mac26x does not qualify to plane so sad to see the mighty fall at the whim of a pen. Surely all these guys are just conspiring to keep the Mac 26x down.

http://www.sailbuyersguide.com/artic...gTheRatios.cfm

Of interest to you also should be the math behind the following.

"Another point of differentiation between coastal cruisers and true passagemakers can be readily seen by the side view showing the area (A) above the water to that of (B) below the water. The lower the ratio, A/B, the better. While true oceangoing fishing trawlers have A/B ratios under 2, it is difficult for a yacht with adequate accommodations to achieve this. It is P.A.E.'s opinion that oceangoing passagemakers should strive for A/B ratios of between 2.l and 2.7. It has been found that many popular "trawler styled" boats on the market today have A/B ratios in excess of 4, making them inadequate, if not dangerous, for offshore work."

The Mac26x comes in at a whopping 6! By the standards of powerboat and sailboat design it is considered inadequate, if not dangerous, for offshore work. So both industries think the Mac26x just doesn't make the grade. As they say the math doesn't lie, only Franky does.

[frankofile]

Thanks for posting that link Skinny Boy - good for a quick review of the basics, eh? The entry for D/L for example does not relate directly to planing, so it's not surprising that Frank constantly refers to it in that context. Instead, it relates to the wave drag of the non-planing hull.

[Anarchist]

Just for Spaghetto's knowledge this boat is plaining. Those shitboxes pictured are far from it.The reason why there is as you say it 'no wave form is visible on her length' is because it is going f@cking slow.

[mistral]

Originally Posted by mighetto

It probably will take abnormally strong wind (20 knots perhaps) for the M to plane

YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, have you ever heard about REALLY strong winds????
I guess no Frankie, since you never lifted your ass from the marina's restaurant!!!!!

20 knots is definitively not an abnormally strong wind FOR A SAILOR, is a decent steady wind
Frank you're totally absurd, do all us a favour, light your MAC's stinking engine and drive (not SAIL) away from this thread

Mistral

[Anarchist]

Upto 38 knots of wind and 14ish knots of boat speed on this run.

Bull 9000 on a run between Sydney Harbour and Pittwater 2 on board with full main and number 3

[CT 249]

"A boat is said to be capable of true planing when the displacement/length ratio is under 150."

Bulldust. The boat also has to have a decent hull form and plenty of stability and sail power; the Mac does not have these characteristics.

"The X has a planing Dribbly style hull form. The M has more of a traditional rounded River sailboat form."

Frank, you fool; I know you're regurgitating Frank Bethwaite. Mate, I first sailed with Frank Bethwaite about 20 years ago, I own and sail and win trophies in a Dribbly type hull (Tasar). You're a whacked out loon if you believe the Mac is anything like a Dribbly hull form.

"The marketing material cover picture for the X (above) shows her on plane; no wave form is visible on her length."

No it doesn't, fruitcake, it shows a boat sooooo slow (as confirmed by its PHRF and your own performances) that it's not moving fast enough to kick up a wash. And waves ARE visible on planing boats.

"Your training is not consistant with the notions I, really Roger MacGregor present."

Look, idiot; I lived 300 yards across the water from the place where the Dribbly was born (Middle Harbour, Sydney), the club of your hero Frank Bethwaite, whose excellent writings you dishonour by daring to link with your idiocy and your crappy boat. I've sailed 18s* with Julian B, sailed HSPs and Tasars and B14s with Frank. My dad created the first chine skiff to win a title, he was one of the sailors who introduced lightweight self-bailing chine boats and trapezes to skiffs. It's a culture where as a kid you delivered papers and talked boats to the designer of Australia II; where people threw new ideas in Moths around and then built them over winter; a culture that created the first foiling Moths, the fastest skiffs, many of the best cat sailors, the fastest maxis. Some of us here come from training in skiff types, Moths, windsurfers, and other boats that are capable of performance you couldn't think of in your wildest wet dreams.

That's the training Anarchist and others here come from. What I learn from this training is that your notions are indescribably ** incorrect; the ravings of an ignorant pissante seeking desperately in his heart for some sort of lunatic way to validate his total lack of success as a sailor....and, from your repeated lies, lack of honesty, lack of integrity, lack of research and lack of the courage to admit your mistakes, I assume you have a similar lack of success as a human being.

Don't insult us here with your ravings.

"MacGregor Yachts defines the X as a planing sailboat. MacGregor Yachts defines the M as a surfing sailboat."

Stuff 'em, they're liars.

** Only once or twice I hasten to add.

** They're indescribable 'cause I've been out drinking after the twilight windsurfer race and cant' write properly any more. Sorry.

Gee, writing that was quite enjoyable. And we had a great race and a good time in the pizza place afterwards. Good times.

[mistral]

chapeau (hat off) to Anarchist picture and to CT249 comment, great way of sailing and talking!!
38 is really a huge amount of wind!!!
20 knots is an ideal gamefield for all sailboats from dinghy to cruiser.

Mistral

[sorenfdk]

CT249: You said it!

[asathor]

How about a cup of coffee , lightly salted ... and pass the DRY jerkey .

I am waiting impatiently for the ice to go out

[D'ARTOIS]

PRESS RELEASE

"Today, I have received the latest MC26alfabetX design, that cannot only power and sail, but can also be adjusted to measure, as math will prove.

In this particular mode, I am fully equipped to match against any maxi in the world, grace to the special inflation pump design that came just with the boat to inflate my boat to a maxi size. When raced, I just release the airvents and back she comes to her original design length.

As math proves, the boat will plane by just engaging the 300hp gasturbine that comes with the boat. As you may observe from the strong wake she leaves, the boat's gasturbine is working.

According to Melges, and proved by math, I have the fastest boat around!"