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[pkoken]

Hey Look! He raised the centerboard and CHANGED THE DISPLACEMENT of his vessel!

Maybe if he changes the displacement enough his boat will just lift off the water and float away into the sky...

[mighetto]

Is that an el toro? We pass sail boats all the time. It is this fact that indicates my sailing compency is the issue and not the boat. Then the victems may or may not pass us later. I have some photos of vessels I have passed under sail. But I chose not to share those. Their captains know who they are. My wife and I are seriously considering building a little boat similar to your photo. They have a build program at center for wooden boats. Build a Boat - Test a Marrage. Something like that. The cost went from 800 to 1100 just recently. They must have added some counseling.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by tranmkp

its pointless. please. dont feed this individual...

How would you know. You are a wimp Post or prepare to be boarded. Sorry really have to go. But it is great to know there are party folks this time of evening. I do miss onefatdiva.

[pkoken]

How many of the boats you pass are anchored versus the amount just standing still?

[asathor]

Apparently x26's are all over the place. Sorry about doubting.

[CT 249]

Yeah, I know I shouldn't feed the ***** troll, but this is *&^%$#@ing way over the top even by Frank's standards.


"Lets go over this once again. The MANUFACTURER DEFINES PLANING. This is a word that is made up by the manufacturer. The definition of planing that is used by Melges will be different than that used by MacGregor."


No, you hopeless case, the manufacturer does NOT define planing.

Planing is a naval architecture term. A boat is planing when its centre of gravity rises above its static centre of gravity, due to dynamic lift generated by boatspeed.

MacGregor cannot define planing. The only reason MacGregor uses "planing"` in a different manner than Melges is because MacGregor seems to be dishonest while Melges know the truth.

Lies, lies, and more lies, Frank.....just as usual. Do you know the meanings of truth and honesty?

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

I do the best I can. This is what I know.

If it is what you know, then why do you write a sentence like this: "The Mac26x boat is no longer produced in the US, most now think owing to the case." (Italics by me)?

Originally Posted by mighetto

Why is this important to you?

It all has to do with your credibility and your way of turning your personal beliefs into universal truths.

[frankofile]

Frank is a clown and a buffoon. He destoyed his own credibility with his very first post in the TP52 thread. You can't read that gibberish and take anything he says seriously.

[Skippy]

Spaghetto: The MANUFACTURER DEFINES PLANING.

McGregor also defines the term "17 MPH".

[mighetto]

CT 249

Yeah, I know I shouldn't feed the ***** troll, but this is *&^%$#@ing way over the top even by Frank's standards.

"Lets go over this once again. The MANUFACTURER DEFINES PLANING. This is a word that is made up by the manufacturer. The definition of planing that is used by Melges will be different than that used by MacGregor."

No, you hopeless case, the manufacturer does NOT define planing. Planing is a naval architecture term. A boat is planing when its centre of gravity rises above its static centre of gravity, due to dynamic lift generated by boatspeed.

Sounds good to me. A boat is said to be capable of true planing when the displacement/length ratio is under 150. The math shows that both the X and M vessels are capable of breaking from displacement speed and reaching a true plane. The X is significantly better at planing; her D/L is 137.59 vs the M's at 145.61. It probably will take abnormally strong wind (20 knots perhaps) for the M to plane fully ballasted where that potential in the X is evident in 12 knot winds, perhaps less depending on the point of sail. The X has a planing Dribbly style hull form. The M has more of a traditional rounded River sailboat form.

The marketing material cover picture for the X (above) shows her on plane; no wave form is visible on her length. The M, (below) while cooking in good wind, is at displacement speeds as indicated by the wave form on her length. She is also being sailed at a noticable heel, more like a traditional displacement sailboat. These two pictures portray a vast difference between the sailing styles advanced in the two at-first-glance similar powersailers.


MacGregor cannot define planing. The only reason MacGregor uses "planing"` in a different manner than Melges is because MacGregor seems to be dishonest while Melges know the truth.

Glad you said "seems to be dishonest". Because that is the appearance we are addressing. One definition of truth involves consitant. Hence a Baptist does not visit the Galapagos Islands because what he or she will view there is not consitant with church teaching. The same is true with the sailing religion. Your training is not consistant with the notions I, really Roger MacGregor present. MacGregor Yachts defines the X as a planing sailboat. MacGregor Yachts defines the M as a surfing sailboat.

Lies, lies, and more lies, Frank.....just as usual. Do you know the meanings of truth and honesty?

I only post what I believe is truth. Honestly. Lets try to come to a happy place. The manufacturer gets to define what is a "planing sailboat" and what is a "surfing sailboat". How is that? NAs get to define planing.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sorenfdk

If it is what you know, then why do you write a sentence like this: "The Mac26x boat is no longer produced in the US, most now think owing to the case." (Italics by me)?
It all has to do with your credibility and your way of turning your personal beliefs into universal truths.

The universal truth about the internet is that arguing credibility is a waste of time. I could claim to be Robert Perry and you might be unable to verify that was not the case. Hence it is best to concintrate on what is said. What is correct about that and what is incorrect. Do you really believe that Jim Teeter's didn't have anything to do with the halt in Mac26x production? If so why not just say so? No one cares to defend this man. Not even he cares do do so.

[pkoken]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Sounds good to me. A boat is said to be capable of true planing when the displacement/length ratio is under 150. The math shows that both the X and M vessels are capable of breaking from displacement speed and reaching a true plane. The X is significantly better at planing; her D/L is 137.59 vs the M's at 145.61. It probably will take abnormally strong wind (20 knots perhaps) for the M to plane fully ballasted where that potential in the X is evident in 12 knot winds, perhaps less depending on the point of sail. The X has a planing Dribbly style hull form. The M has more of a traditional rounded River sailboat form.

So according to your logic Frank, if I cut a plank so it matches the D/L ratio of 150 or less it is a planing sailboat? There is more to making a planing sailboat than some magical displacement to length relationship... maybe the ability to carry enough sail to generate the power required to GET ON PLANE!?! Sadly the Mac26x does not have this sail area, and if it did it would not be able to carry it in a breeze as is clearly shown in your "10 knots & reefed" photo you have posted so many times.

[asathor]

This is what the sea may look like at about 40Mph wind.

The owner of the boat in front has not yet fully recovered.

First he got beaten by a TP52 (see above) and now this.................

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

The marketing material cover picture for the X (above) shows her on plane; no wave form is visible on her length. The M, (below) while cooking in good wind, is at displacement speeds as indicated by the wave form on her length. She is also being sailed at a noticable heel, more like a traditional displacement sailboat. These two pictures portray a vast difference between the sailing styles advanced in the two at-first-glance similar powersailers.

Ha ha ha! My god Frank you are so dumb! Could you have brainwashed yourself? Has memorizing sales brochures robbed you of the power to think?!? Other than a couple minor differences, those boats are the SAME. They are going about the same speed, at practically the same angle of heel, and they ARE NOT PLANING. They both clearly have bow wakes a foot or so back, and certainly neither one has risen above its static position. If anything the X has a more pronounced bow wake than the M.

Wow, that was pretty darn funny. Tell us another good one!

[pkoken]

Maybe MacGregor has defined sailing at (far less than) hull speed "Planing"... This would make sense as apparently in the land of Mighetto manufacturers get to make their own definitions for their marketed material.

By the way, my motorcycle has 2366 horsepower when I push it up to 45k rpm... I am the owner I say it is so in writing here in this forum!