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[mighetto]

Originally Posted by pkoken

Perhaps they wouldn't be scared if they were sailing a Mac26x... In any case, regardless of your boat~ Cape Horn has nothing on Point Conception and the DEADLY COAST OF CALIFORNIA!!!

Cape Scott has had the largest waves recorded and I have rounded Cape Scott in my Mac26x. Several other Mac26x cruisers did so earlier and even Mac26 Classics have done so. This is all about waiting out the gales and storms and rounding with the knowledge that modern reporting provides. The relevant knowledge including current and slack water times as well as high water and weather and season. Even a battle ship will change course when the going gets deadly.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

That's how I think of you, but I'd hardly call you stable.

But you love me anyway right Blame Roger Macgregor

"A ballasted sailboat is very much like the inflatable toy with a weight in the bottom that kids use as punching bags. The weight makes the toy return to vertical after it is poked."

Roger MacGregor didn't allow himself to become part of the group grope consensus building mentality currently characterizing naval architects and boat designers in the US today. He has an army of sailors now trained to think correctly rather than by concensus. These are running the PHRF and major races now explaining why you have things like IRC and movable ballast taking hold. Soon the buoy race courses will be returned to Olympic style. Just a few more years. We don't want to push to fast. It is great to sail in modern times.

[FranksaDork]

[quote=mighetto]
She is in forced mode here. Fully ballasted. We definately did double digits on the down wind run. Winds were reported gusting to 30 knots.

So Frank, explain this to me. If you were doing "double digits" on that race, how come if the boat I was on never got past 7.5 knots, you finished roughly 3 hours behind us on a 12 mile race.

Edit: Excuse me, a 15 mile race.

[mighetto]

[quote=FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by mighetto

[IMG]She is in forced mode here. Fully ballasted. We definately did double digits on the down wind run. Winds were reported gusting to 30 knots.
So Frank, explain this to me. If you were doing "double digits" on that race, how come if the boat I was on never got past 7.5 knots, you finished roughly 3 hours behind us on a 12 mile race.
Edit: Excuse me, a 15 mile race.

Dork, were you on a planing sailboat? If you were on a displacement sailboat, you would not have exceeded hull speed. Did you record 30 knot gusts? The story I have is Dynamite.

The committee boat failed to look to the east as I was screaming to last place finish. She pulled anchor after the boat I was racing for last told them she had not seen me. The boat that use to be called Sea Witch came from the West. I watched the committee boat pull anchor in daylight but figured they wanted me to blast a finish horn when I crossed where she would have been. We both got to harbor at about the same time.

You will recognize that the finish was close to the no wake zone. So no motoring fast was involved. Note:

I could have taken ANY TIME I WANTED after the boat I failed to catch because the committee boat left a half an hour early. It was a great race day. The only way I could have come close to catching the next to last finisher was planing speed. Unbelivable I know. You know the boat. Why not confirm with them when they tied up and when then noted I was in harbor.

The time meant little to me since I was last. But if this ever happens to you know that there is no defense for the committee boat. When it leaves before its time you get to take ANY TIME YOU WANT in the order of finish. Had I done so, I still would have finished last because I owed the boat that finished right before me time. Now you make me think I should have protested. Let it go. And

excuse me - admit it, you saw me on J-dock same time cleaning up when you were didn't you? Does 3 hours behind you really make sense? How about half that time?

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

I don't understand your question? Sorry. Who could be those who have read my stuff.

I have read your stuff, and I don't know that the production of the Mac26x was stopped because of Jim Teeters. I just know that you have stated this as a fact without coming up with any evidence.

Originally Posted by mighetto

With CB you get the benefit of boats that when swamped may not sink as well as a faster sailboat when there is light wind.

Oh Frank - where do you get it from? It's hilarious!

[pkoken]

Look at this boat! Sailing with a reef in and there isn't even a whitecap on the water- Gusting to 30 knots my ass! You are looking at maybe 10 knots of wind here...

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

She is in forced mode here. Fully ballasted. We definately did double digits on the down wind run.

Didn't you see the "." between the two digits?

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sorenfdk

I have read your stuff, and I don't know that the production of the Mac26x was stopped because of Jim Teeters. I just know that you have stated this as a fact without coming up with any evidence.

Oh Frank - where do you get it from? It's hilarious!

I do the best I can. This is what I know. The only boat produced by MacGregor Yachts at the time of the children's deaths was the Mac26x. The last run of a boat as successful as the Mac26x was 14 years. The X was in year 7 of production at the time of halt. The company had just placed an advertisement in a publication for new boat purchasers for year 8 and it was a new advertisement, not a rehash of an old one. I personally was told that the X would be produced with the Mac26m when I viewed hull number 5 of the M roll off the assembly line .The manufacturer, prior to the X had always produced more than one boat. The day after my visit the factory was closed to visitors. The company did not raise the price of the X to slow demand prior to carting off 4 mold sets capable of at least 800 new Mac26x boats, according to the factory representative Bill. The notion that 911 caused business insurance to rize so high that production of the X was halted is hilarious. But this was kicked about for some time. It is hilarious because of the world wide distribution of the product. 911 would have little to do with international demand. The notion that buisness insurance would be raised after a paid for number had been produced (5000) and that that insurance price raise is related to Jim Teeters and by association US Sailing's objection to the design fits. From this businiss man's perspective the halt in production was directly related to Jim Teeters involvment in the 2002 July 4th drunken boater's case. This fellow from Alaska Airlines was the first with the theory. Apparently, in the transportation business this kind of thing is common. The notion has been widely accepted on this forum. Only Roger MacGregor would have proof and he isn't talking. Makes you think that perhaps legal action against Teeters and US Sailing is contemplated. But I have no indication of that. Why is this important to you?

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by sorenfdk

Didn't you see the "." between the two digits?

My eyesite isn't as good as it used to be.

Frank. The highest gust we clocked was 22. That picture was taken around Hunter Point (squaxin in the background). We passed you about 2 miles before you even got there. You hadn't even rounded the island yet. 3 hours sounds about right. And no, I wasn't on a boat that saw you at "J" dock. I was in the bar and had dinner and numorous drinks when we saw you motor by (once again, about 3 hours later).

[frankofile]

It seems pretty clear that ol' Frankie doesn't even know what planing is, let alone know when he is on a boat that is planing.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by FranksaDork

My eyesite isn't as good as it used to be.

Frank. The highest gust we clocked was 22. That picture was taken around Hunter Point (squaxin in the background). We passed you about 2 miles before you even got there. You hadn't even rounded the island yet. 3 hours sounds about right. And no, I wasn't on a boat that saw you at "J" dock. I was in the bar and had dinner and numorous drinks when we saw you motor by (once again, about 3 hours later).

Dork. Cool. As this story gets older and older, I will be coming in at midnight and the gusts will be clocked at 60 MPH. But Dyno will still be AWOL. Seriously, I could have taken anytime I wanted for the finish. There isn't a bar or diner place at Swantown any more. You must have seen me motoring from a perch at Tugboat's. In which case you have damn fine eyes. Anyway it is all about stories. Yours is as good as mine at this point. And I am not complaining. The photo was the prize that day. And Murrelet appears to be screaming in the photo. I was approaching Hope Island enjoying the rest of you set out your spinakers. Naturally I was last. I have a trouble with starts. But I had passed at least one vessel prior to reefing. The boat is capable if not her crew. If I had had a camera ready the photo to take was Strider. Identify yourself and a beer is yours tomorrow night.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by frankofile

It seems pretty clear that ol' Frankie doesn't even know what planing is, let alone know when he is on a boat that is planing.

Lets go over this once again. The MANUFACTURER DEFINES PLANING. This is a word that is made up by the manufacturer. The definition of planing that is used by Melges will be different than that used by MacGregor. On a MacGregor, however, we have advantage in that we know what the wake looks like when planing under motor power. But 12 MPH is definately planing. We can split hairs over if 7.5 MPH or 9.5 MPH is planing but not 12 MPH. Not on a boat that is 26 foot.

Well, I have to quit for the night owning to the need for a network administrator who will not be available until the morning. Will see some of you tomorrow. Frank free day tomorrow on this forum. Enjoy.

[pkoken]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Naturally I was last. I have a trouble with starts. But I had passed at least one vessel prior to reefing.

And the boat you passed looked like this, right?

[tranmkp]

its pointless. please. dont feed this individual...

[FranksaDork]

Originally Posted by pkoken

And the boat you passed looked like this, right?

Hey. Ain't that kid planing?