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[asathor]

By the way, did you know that someone got the prestigeous Darwin Award for strapping one of them to his Chevelle.

[K4s]

Just a thought Frank,and please try to think it through,If shrouds are designed to stretch are they also designed to then shrink back too their original setting once the power is reduced after the gust?If not why are we not completely re tensioning our rigs after every sail,perhaps we're just lazy or perhaps you have made a mistake in your reasoning.
Sorry to all others in here,I have weakened and are helping to sustain this giberish,will try to stay away and watch this thread die as is the TP52 thread,when you refuse to answer it fades away.
K4s

[DGreenwood]

After having attended a party of attorneys with my brother (he is one) and giving some poor soul, who said something stupid, a serious tongue lashing, my brother was clearly irritated with me. When I said "Whassup" he said ---"you know when somebody opens their mouth and their brains fall out on the floor, you should not feel compelled to run up and kick them". Good advice--- I never took it. Soooo...

Franks Fun Filled Fony Facts

Lets make a list...I'll start

#1 Riggers actually want rigging wire to stretch...it makes for a better performing boat.

[DGreenwood]

#2 Lower ballast does not improve the stability of a sailing vessel...or did I misunderstand that one? I don't see how I could have?

[frankofile]

#3 - Lift generated by the keel causes a boat to rise up.

#4 - Cod's head/mackerel tail is a fast, modern hull shape.

#5 - Slop in a centerboard housing creates a gybing board that improves pointing.

#6 - Bearing off in a puff, while beating, will cause the boat to flatten out.

#7 - The only purpose of a tiller is to facilitate cheating. (This was from the SA thread, I don't think it has come up here.)

#8 - The Mac26X is an etremely fast boat but doesn't often win PHRF races because it is penalized by having such a high handicap.

#9 - The Mac26X is superior to most modern designs, especially the TP52, for ocean crossings.

Etc, etc.

[DGreenwood]

#10 Frank is actually a great unrecognized genius with a deep understanding of the world of physics and how they apply to this simpletons game of sailboat design. At some point in the future we will all awaken to the dawn of real sailboats whereupon we will take to wailing and flagellating ourselves for the abuses we have put upon the "Enlightened One"

[asathor]

#11 Racing hulls are best made of flexible materials: A CB (Keel) that bends doesn,t break.

#12 Light boats are better because if you hit something it will not hit very hard or cause much damage.

#13 Water ballast is superior; because it's dielectric properties are similar to the water around the boat it causes less friction (enhanced by taking on matching local water as well).

#14 Square, tall hulls are better because they meet the water and wind head-on and repel them.

#15 If you drink your beer on the dock before you go racing you will not have to carry all that on the boat.

#16 The fastest hull shape is the barge because only one side of the boat touches the water.

#17 Retractable keels are the future because retracting it up into the boat reduces the boats displacement. Also by moving it to the lee side the hull will heel and the wind will slide over the top of the boat instead of hitting it square on.

#18 Down the road we may even see keels that you can lower further into the water - positioned deeper into denser water they will weigh less but have more power.

#19 Catamaran barges will soon be your first choise because the can hold enough solar panels to run a decent size electric motor or a fan to fillthe sails.

#20 Sailors always drink their beer before you go to bed so they don't wakeup thirsty.

[mistral]

Originally Posted by mighetto

A monohull that can be sailed at 17MPH is hardly conservative.

we're all still waiting for you to demonstrate that.....
Mistral

[asathor]

There are sales people frequenting this thread!

[frankofile]

What do they sell?

[asathor]

Hits or boats????

[pkoken]

This is the BEST out of the one posted so far IMHO...

#13 Water ballast is superior; because it's dielectric properties are similar to the water around the boat it causes less friction (enhanced by taking on matching local water as well).

[mighetto]

Phillip Kohen

#13 Water ballast is superior; because it's dielectric properties are similar to the water around the boat it causes less friction (enhanced by taking on matching local water as well).

13, the magic number. 13 times 4 is 54 (er 52). It takes 52 years for the Mayan Calendar to repeat itself. We are so lucky to have seen the Turkey Product TP52s being produced in our life times. Note - the thread lives. Excellent! This Edsel requires further corrective spin. Huzzah Huzzah

There certainly is an excellent discussion going on about canting keels today. But lets keep on focus. The fellow who designed spaceshipone knew he was onto something when those in the field reached consensus that his design was nonsense. This is the way of every breakthrough product.

The notion that there could be a sailing vessel that a beginner could operate that could be configured for ULDB racing is such a breakthrough. That it could be produced at a cost one tenth of the consensus no less revolutionary than spaceshipone. Spaceshipone didn't need the tiles. Mac26x vessels did not need the heavy weighted keel. Both have shown us the future.

GOOD MORNING BOAT DESIGNERS

We leave the anarchists behind today.

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by asathor

There are sales people frequenting this thread!

You mean brokers. Here is the point that I am making apparently poorly. Well there are two. First, it is unusual for the broker to represent the manufacturer. In every case that I have looked at, the manufacturer specifically points out that the broker does not represent the manufacturer. Case in point. I had a broker tell me that if you wanted a shower you could not purchase a boat with solid flotation, you had to purchase a heavy sinkable deep keel boat to get a bilge deep enough to drain the shower. Can you see the manufacturer's head spinning over such a statement. It is the nonsense that brokers spew because they know that prospects remember only about 1/3 of what they are told. Those days are over because of the Internet. Today prospects can verify what the broker says with a click and post. The latest nonsense is that you can not get your new boat CE marked.

Second, every owner selling a used boat is a broker. Hence, is it surprising that my opinion might be found objectionable by owners of lesser vessels? My notions have been called nonsense for many years by those who would like my readers to believe that I offend everone. Even if true, the free expression of thought is viewed as a right. There has never been a right established that prevents one from being offended. There should be no new displacement monohull sailing vessels designed in the 30 to 37 foot range (that range is for planing motor boats) and monohulls should float when swamped just as multihulls do. If this offends the reader, so be it. Freedom of thought comes at the price of offending. The 30 to 37 foot displacement monohulls were acceptable in an age where all boats - even fast ones - could be expected to be caught in a storm during the life time of the boat. With modern reporting only thrill seekers and the incompetent can be expected to weather such conditions in the lifetime of the modern designed craft. Hence, those who continue to design new 30 to 37 foot monohull ocean sailboats limited to displacement speed, without making them tank like, are guilty of malpractice. How is that for a statement. No one will argue this. Well I predict no one will argue this with me.

[mistral]

i'm still waiting......
come on Frankie it's so easy, take a GPS, a good steady wind day and astonish us all with Murellet's performance!!! Do you remember?? I expect at least 17mph, thast to say about 13.5 knots, as you claimed.
remember to take some picture.......
...and remember to switch your engine off......

fair wind
Mistral