Incredible "Secrets of Yacht Design" website located...

[mighetto]

Hey did someone hack the view counter again. Lets start a petition

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/create.html

Stuck on 4978, how is this rat going to get his food pellet?

[SeaDrive]

What does a Mac want to be when it grows up, and is fit to go to sea?

[ForedeckShuffle]

What happens if you bolt two M26 carcasses together to form a cat? How about 3, with one slightly forward in the middle, is this a tri like the one Ellen is using?

[woodboat]

Mighetto, I think you need to simply clear your cache. My view shows 5026 currently.

[mighetto]

Love the drawings. A 44 footer with a beam of 12' 3 inches? She is water ballasted right? Love the Twin Keel configuration. Most Mac26x owners sleep in the bow section. The double berth on this vessel looks acceptable. The Life Raft under the deck table implies she will sink when swamped, but perhaps not. A water tight compartment or two, or air in the water ballast tanks, might keep her floating if capsized. The boat does not need to plane. Her hull speed is fast enough to do close to if not double digits. (40 foot at the water line.) But the large engine compartment and inboard outboard configuration is very interesting. Does she? Does she plane under motor power? I assume the prop can be lifted from the water like an outboard. Looks like she has the trendy small head sail. That isn't so bad. It allows self tacking. But I think future yachts should take full advantage of roller furling. That implys a 140 or greater Genoa. The mast head rig is wrong. Fractional should be looked into. If you change the rigging to support a full Genoa and then put in a lighter mast and fractional rig, you have a shot at making this vessel a true upgrade possibility from the Mac26x. All designs out of Road Island are suspect but this improves the situation

You know the Mac26x is fit to go to sea. Nice drawings nonetheless.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

Are these the most offensive of my comments? Would they be less offensive from others?

They would be less frequent from others.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by woodboat

[Spaghetto], ... My view shows 5026 currently.

There Frank, you got your food pellet. Now ya happy?

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Remember that the halt in production of the X was not known until recently to have been related to Jim Teeters.

Frank, I ask you again: Who "knows" about this?

[gybeset]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Brother, I call you brother, for you have been baptized by finding the Secrets of Yacht design and you appear to be from the town in which I was raised. The town of Tubby, of 18 foot Potters that sail accross the Pacific.

The URL above has been rigorously reviewed by sailnet.net (t shirts now available) by sailing anarchy (burgees now available) and by the MacGregor yacht's web sites. It is as accurate as such review can make possible. (Highly accurate)

It has not been reviewed by boatdesign.net.

Professional designers of boats are not unlike professional designers of churches. Both groups of designers are expected by their customers to be well researched in the history of the design of boats or churches.

However both groups have respectively formed circles where they hold each others hands. The circles are closed. Even to lessons from history.

We outside of the circle are anarchists. Amatures to be marginalized. Especially when we ask why. Like why water ballast (a form of ballast used through out the history of sailing) is not used more frequently in sail boat design or why should a boat sink when swamped. Or if canters were so great why were they not used until ten or so years ago?

Those of the circle value being part of that circle. They fear free thought and expression because it may result in exclusion, excommunication from a club, a politically-correct party, that is closed to all but those who think like they do. To all that think other than monohull or lead on a long fin.

We outsiders, we anarchists, have a new and powerful voice. The voice of the Internet. It is that voice which has brought you an others like you AT LAST to this forum.

The Church of FOYD is now open (Future of Yacht Design). Huzzah Hazzah, There is much work to do. May I suggest reading the TP52 thread and the special issue of Sail on the future of sailboat design. (pay attention to the advertisements) Be prepared to be saved.

The Mac26x has the most widely accepted and scrutinized movable ballast system in the world. Its hull shape is the most widely accepted shape for those that make a living from the sea. The work boat hull form is far from slow. To avoid hazards (like pirates) and to get to market in a timely fashion they just had to be and are fast under sail.

I encourage those who are in the circle and wonder why to get a new email address and join in the discussions. We value FREEDOM and can be free to speak our minds here. The URL mentioned will be updated. There is a lot more.

Oh: Seattle Boat Show Saturday.

pirates on the seas, no doubt unchristian, may theire grappling irons from their TP52's never score your topsides halelluelia brother, praise the lord (not DouG!)

[SA'er]

Ahh looks like Spaghetto has reared his ugly head again......... Good luck fellas, this guy is nucking futs

Spaghetto, just want to let you know that you are a looser. lol, lol, lol You have no place on the water (or internet) and should be droped off in the desert and never alowed to return.

Regards
SAer and hope to never see you there again.... lol, lol, lol

[mistral]

thank you Dreamer, at least someone who shows us what MAC26 are in the real world, not in Mighetto-land......


Fair wind (not on a Mac26)
Mistral

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by dreamer

I can't believe how freakishly entertaining the last 4 hours of my life have been.

For anyone who might be looking for a little additional fun:


A Spaghetto Entertainment Sampler!


A View from Across the Pond


Ballerina Science
Lesson 1
... bringing the bulb weight closer to the hull makes the boat faster like bringing the arms of a twirling ice skater in makes the ice skater twirl faster. ... The better design is to just get rid of the weight on the fin and put it closer to or internal to the hull.
Lesson 2
... This internal ballast rule applies to everything that moves: cars, motorcycles, planes, power boats and yes - even sailboats. ... If you own a sailboat boat with a bulb contraption on a fixed fin, you own a boat with a correction to a design flaw. ... why don't powerboats have weight on long thin foils? ... why don't sailors hang anchor like stablizers on 100 feet of rode dangling from the centerline? ...
Lesson 3
This ... prevents multihulls from competing because the space between the hulls is a big hollow. The effect of the hollow, ... lifts the hull from the water at speed.


Trolling Anarchy
Stupidity and Lunacy PNW Style
Mighetto's new looney bin
Who killed Frank

Totally Precious, 52 weeks a year

The Troll Report
Installment 1
Installment 2

Design Anarchy(thru p.13, rated PG17)

Troll Humor (and IQ test)
Question: What did the movable ballast trained sailor say to the keel boat trained sailor?
Answer: Would you like fries with that order?

the Mac26X is related to hobies because they came equipped with Coleman ice chests

"Incredible Secrets"

"Paging Dr. Freud ..."
Zerr seems to be a psychology of fear behind zis sort of sinkink. Just below ze surrface, so too speek. Afterr awl, who vould vant to sail arround mit a big long duedel hangink down frrom ze hull? Mit awl zose dangerrous rreefs unt shoalss lurkink out zerr, who knowss vat might get chopped ofe? Betterr to keep ze "family jewels" safe unt sound inside ze hull, eh?
(INFINITE APOLOGIES TO ALL VOLKSDEUTSCHEN & DEUTSCHSPRECHER FOR MANGLING THE ACCENT/LANGUAGE SO SHAMELESSLY!!!!!!!!!!!)

[SeaDrive]

Originally Posted by mighetto

Love the drawings.

Tanton's standard in drawing is perfection.

I thought I saw something yesterday that said 90 hp for 12 kts under power, but I can't locate it today. Since the design is from '93, I don't think you can call the rig proportions "trendy." The rig is carefully detailed for shorthanded sailing, and I will take Mr. Tanton's opinions over yours. Construction is Aluminum, and I doubt there is positive flotation. The water ballast would be in addition to lead in the keel(s). The protection of the cockpit is important in a real sea-going boat.

Originally Posted by mighetto

You know the Mac26x is fit to go to sea.

I know no such thing.

[dreamer]

Very good summary Dr. Skippy. Here I was thinking I would have to google this nutball in order to get the whole enchilada. Now I feel enlighted. Well, actually I feel nauseous.

Kind of like eating a poorly cooked enchilada.

[mighetto]

dreamer

Mac 'n cheeze 26 Real World:

* A regatta of trailor sailors toured the Apostle Islands (not East Coast...not West Coast so no bitchin' there). The fleet consisted of your typical trailerable rabble: Catalina 22s (2), Precision 23, Potter 19 (2), Mac 26X. Everytime the fleet made port, the Mac was easily 1 hour behind. That was all taken care of when, in intense winds of 10...maybe 15 kts, the mast on the Mac 26 bent like an old q-tip right in the middle. According to the 'crew', the boat was rolling dramatically from side to side when the cheap-ass piano wire forestay snapped (pulled out of the 'fitting' on the end of the forestay which was some sort of pressed sheet metal number). The mast was so flimsy that they were able to repair it with...get this...duct tape! Didn't matter tho cause they motored back to the start and gave up (they no longer have that POS).

First ever report of a Mac26x dismasting. How can this be confirmed? Would the factory know? Oh the repair was made with duct tape. - good one. You had me going on that for a while. The Mac26x, owing to her engine, if not superior sailing ability, would always arrive first in a cruising fleet. 20+ MPH will git you 20 miles in an hour.

* We have 2 Mac 26Xs in our marina. One is a green slimer. The other is owned by an older guy. He goes out quite a bit. Never puts up the sails tho. Reason being, "too windy". Like Ghetto-boy, they too came from the stink-potter world. His wife likes the powerboat interior. She went out once with him...once. Now the only time she goes aboard is when it's in the slip. When he goes out, she heads over to the houseboat permanantly moored at the end their dock.

Well thats a damning review. The boat to own is the one your wife will cruise with you on. I know a similar owner. Something happened under sail. Something scared him. His wife is a sailor however, and she wants to go out on the Mac26x all the time. Her husband was so frustrated that she wanted to put the sails up on every outing that he bought her a sunfish. In time he will come around. This season he put in intermediate reef points. Beginners need not fly all the cloth.

I don't know anyone who takes these boats seriously. I think if I ran over one with my Baba I wouldn't even feel it.

True enough. We cruise frequently with a Baba 40. Her name is Murphy's Lawyer. She carries more head sail than all the cloth on Murrelet and does beat us. We also sail pass her on occasions.

But all of this is moot. Geheezer, I've been crusing BBSs since before you needed bifocals and I can attest that, without a doubt, you are the weirdest piece of ****** up fruitcake I've EVER come across. I can't believe how freakishly entertaining the last 4 hours of my life have been. Without question, CB has put up a valiant effort to 'ballast' your drivel (I owe you a cold one, CB buddy).

Hell, I want to buy Crank Boy a beer. We live in an owner driven world now. (Bush, just have to love him). Crank Boy needs his own boat. He shouldn't be spending his money on beer.

The only scary (notice one R in scary - which alludes to your mastery of the English language) part of this whole thing is when (not if) you corner some unsuspecting neophyte and fill their head full of your absolutely bizarro-world minutiae.

New to the sport purchasers certainly do find my material. I am confident that it is real scary to those with old fixed keel vessels (not Baba's your exempt) but thin fixed keel vessels with bulbs. My material is doing a great number on reducing the resale value of those sinkers. That and the fact that ocean insurance is so expensive for them. They need not read my stuff. Just contacting the insurance carrier will set them streight. The 30 to 37 footers are most susseptable to my posts. I do a public service to new to the sport purchasers in pointing this out. Do you really disagree? How does it go - the only thing that works on an old boat is the captain. I mean that offends even this owner of an old Mac26x. But when you can get a new Mac26m for the cost of a used 37 footer, you have to think.

I especially laughed when I saw that you posted the marina and slip where you keep your junk-o-la abomination. How often have you stepped in flaming bags of dog poo? Or maybe that plastijunk hunk has already been reduced to a molten glob at the bottom of the marina.

I have more faith in human kind than you do. This is why I was upset when given credit for the keel pocks on Tripp Gal's vessel where CB does his crewing. Her vessel suffered from electrolisis. This is something that happens when a boat or dock is not grounded properly. Mac26x vessels, have a mettle hanger that is in the water that might suffer as well but certainly the damage is insignificant to what can and does happen to fixed keels. Other Mac26 vessels have no mettle parts in the water.

Come by J19 Swantown and Murrelet any time. We are dog friendly. You will be reading about that in 48 north soon enough. Seriously, my wonderful wife has an article coming out in 48 north. It is all so Kewl.

PS it is cheese Now tell me this isn't fun.