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[asathor]

I am sorry I missed this, from now on I will consult my moon-calender more frequently to make sure not to miss these forums.

[skinny boy]

So what magical wonderful powers do you have that would have eliminated Tripp Gal from the Toliva Shoal Race? Who is Tripp Gal? And why would you care?

First it was Farr, then Teeters now Tripp Gal, you seem to have some real interpersonal problems. You threatened Skinny and me on this thread. You seem to always be attacking people.

So far on this thread everything you have said has been a lie. You have slandered Jim Teeters and now it appears you are going after someone else.

You might not be a genious but you are at least not smart.

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by Skippy

Soren, this is a covered outdoor hot tub being delivered to someone's home. The hot tub is placed in the purchaser's yard, and people can gather for a hot soak any time of year. The metal pipe above the tub is the plumbing that is connected to the house to provide a water supply. Add an electrical extension cord to power the heater and jets, and your winter hot tub is installed!

I stand corrected!
And unlike someone else on this thread, I try to learn from my mistakes!

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

It has not been shown that when the CG is lower than the hull that there is any improvement in speed or stability.

Nuts!

Originally Posted by mighetto

It is likely that when the CG is lower than the hull that the hull integrity is in question.

Nuts!

Originally Posted by mighetto

Bulb keels are the result of IMS rules/ design rules that at best are nuetral and likely are harmful.

Nuts!

Originally Posted by mighetto

My problem is the problem of power boat designers who for some reason do not hang bulb keels from thier vessels even though stability is everything and speed is also an objective. If such structures were more than the recent and failed experiment that I maintain they are we would see them on motor craft.

Why don't you ask a powerboat designer about this?

[Crowie]

Guys,
Lots of blah blah blah, looks like a nice boat to pot around the lake for a few hours.
any further claims are ********, it's that simple.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by migholetto

It has not been shown that when the CG is lower than the hull that there is any improvement in speed or stability.

It is likely that when the CG is lower than the hull that the hull integrity is in question.

Bulb keels are the result of IMS rules/ design rules that at best are nuetral and likely are harmful.

Well, Ignore File or not, I jus can't let these slide.

When the CG is lower than the hull (we'll assume you mean that the CG is lower than the lowest point of the canoe body), then the stability WILL be better than with the CG inside the canoe body. That is a proven fact, hydrstatically=speaking, and cannot be denied. Period.

When the CG is "below the hull", the hull integrity is not compromised any more than it may have been with the CG higher. Hull integrity and CG have nothing to do with each other, basically.

The bulb keel was around Loooong before the IMS, and will be around long after it.

You also say "I have asked for help." Well, this post is Help. Take it or go away.

Steve

[frankofile]

Originally Posted by mighetto

But be aware. When we are done, I will be stating on my Cruising Log that the material was submited for review and in fact was reviewed by Boat design.net. You might take it all a wee bit seriously.

Reviewed, sure, and thoroughly ridiculed by boatdesign.net and sailinganarchy.com at the least. What other forums have you been bounced out of. If you imply any sort of acceptance of your absurd theories then that is yet another lie you will have made. Anyone who reads your website and isn't immediately either offended or amused by it's nonsense, anyone who takes it seriously and actually puts any of that crap into practice, is probably doomed from the start. That's the way evolution works.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by frankofile

What other forums have you been bounced out of.

ybw.com

[sorenfdk]

Originally Posted by mighetto

But be aware. When we are done, I will be stating on my Cruising Log that the material was submited for review and in fact was reviewed by Boat design.net. You might take it all a wee bit seriously.

Frank, I don't think a website can review anything. Maybe in your world, but not in this.
People, howewer, can and have. The users of the forum on boatdesign.net have reviewed your statements and the verdict was quite clear: 99% of it is BS and not to be taken seriously.
Or did you miss this?

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by sorenfdk

Frank, I don't think a website can review anything. Maybe in your world, but not in this.
People, howewer, can and have. The users of the forum on boatdesign.net have reviewed your statements and the verdict was quite clear: 99% of it is BS and not to be taken seriously.
Or did you miss this?

I strive for no Bravo Sierra on http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm. I believe what I post. Can you say the same? I have just spent the morning reviewing Sailing Anarchy where believe it or not they are still trying to get me to post. I see few of the regulars posting now. There is still nudity. Businesses, as well as governments, now filter those sites out. Why the Baptist Preacher editing the forum hasn't stopped that is beyond me. We here have all advanced beyond. Sailing magazines take thier lead from boat design.net and the pay for view site now. But where Sailing Anarchy has remained a site for the uninitiated, Boat Design.net has never been so. We can do much good here.

This month, in the sailing magazines, there is recognition that IMS is dead. Even the owner of the last built non-TP52 IMS boat, a boat that betters all the TP52s, sees his vessel as a buggy wip, a useless thing, a Gimcrack now that the US has gone IRC to support this technology shift to movable ballast, and lighter materials. With that recognition is the halt of trends in sailboat design that I believe have contributed to the decline of the sailing sport in the US. We are talking trends to shorter head sails and boats that heel to much because under the IMS rules these vessels had rating advantage and boats that are to tender for motoring, anchoring, or even entertaining dockside, because of poor initial stability.

What is wrong with small head sails. Well, the head sail is the sail most likely in clear air. It makes sence owing to that for it to be a powerful sail. Also when the head sail is simply jib size, it can not wrap around stays which means poor pointing. Plus that trend ignores the greatest invention in modern times for sailing - roller furling which gives the sailor an easy way to maintain the vessel on optimum heel. What is wrong with excessive heeling? Well it discourages those new to the sport and makes the boat a poor cruising vessel because all accomodations are at an awkward angle when the wind carries.

I am very proud of the part that MacGregor Yachts has played in the demise of IMS. When a boat can be designed to a rule rather than to the objectives of seaworthiness and speed it is a problem. That is what fellows like Jim Teeters have built their careers on. It will not be the way of the future.

Old Business

The TP52 was to be the repacement for the Farr 40s. The notion that moving up means moving to a larger boat is one that is well entrenched in the minds of powerboaters. Sailboaters need not think that way. The idea that the Swans are replacements for Farr 40s is not what I was gitting to. There need be no replacement for the Farr 40s. Change is not always good. This is a situation where Farr 40 owners and crews should stick with it, just like Star owners and crews have stuck with it. Those new to the sport should be looking at Swans and boats like the Mac26x. They are not invested in a sailing style and hence it is easier for them to pick up the modern style.

The meaning of the word Skandia is well covered on Sailing Anarchy. I encourage those interested to check that out. But please, canting keels are not any more dangerous than fixed keels. It is the nature of the keel being fixed in an extended possition that gives the sea a lever in which to capsize them, crack them, and sink them. It is Physics. Physics you have to be trained not to see by US Sailing Certified Schools. The design is compromised by not providing for retraction of the keel as well as canting and movement forward and aft - if that is provided.

New Business

Sailing Anarchy reports that carbon fiber will be less available for boat building because of HomeLand Security???? What the Hell, they need the material for tent poles!!!! Lets get serious. Carbon Fiber has not been shown to benefit sailing craft when used for booms and masts. It does not appear to have the longevity of aluminum nor is it user friendly when it fails, in the sense that the left overs can be used for jurry rigs. We can get less weight aloft in more cost effective ways. Let the aircraft industry have the material.

[mighetto]

YBC.com remains open to me. I really have not been bounced off any forums. Why do you think so? Classic mighetto from YBC. Thanks for the URL. This is good for review.

I posted:

Oh I do believe that larger motors will find their way into all future ocean sailboat designs. You may not have this problem in the UK but in the USA we lose 100,000 sailors a year. These folks move to trawlers or worse yet give up boating entirely.In the US, 3/4 of the boaters think sail boaters idiots. I am the voice of reason in comparison to what a power boater thinks of a rag bagger. Especially a rag bagger in an under powered displacement only fixed weighted fin craft.

I am reposting this from another YBW forum. I have submitted it to the moderator and really do not know if it will ever get posted. So here it is.

Hi Jan. The Mac26x is a serious ocean sailboat. There are a couple of things to realize. First, no one outside of a race, will find any boat of any racing size on the ocean comfortable.

It took serious racers to make this point to me. In the modern age, boats are transported, not because it is dangerous to make a crossing, but because the cost of wear and tear on the yacht doesn't justify the "fun" of doing so.

After the first day, below decks on any cruising sailboat is likely going to smell like puke. If it does not it may smell of diesel. No one outside of the most fatigued is going to want to "enjoy" the comfort there. And then they will be sleeping. If the crossing is several weeks the enjoyment is the same one might get in jail.

So for the future, it is likely that boats that will be making ocean crossings will be more race boat like in the interior than house like. To ignore this ignores the availability of other modern tools besides boat transport like weather reporting.

Do visit http://www.eskimo.com/~mighetto/murrelet.htm to see why these boats, even out of production are worth chatting about. There is nothing in a monohull under 40 foot and under 180,000 US that compares. The designer/ manufacturer understates the boats capabilities. I know this is hard to believe but the test of time and rejection of notions of stability by international ocean racing design rule bodies to allow movable ballast as the Mac26x (and no other Macgregor model) puts the boat in her prime.

[Skippy]

Originally Posted by Spaghetto

YBC.com remains open to me. I really have not been bounced off any forums. ... Classic mighetto from YBC.

That appears to be true. It's the responses that are notable. ybw.com

[frankofile]

From the latest exchange on Sailing Anarchy:

"Posted: Jan 26 2005, 08:20 PM
We all know Frank is a very sick man.
Someone could write a book about Trolls using him as a subject."

"Posted: Jan 26 2005, 09:15 PM
He is so far off his meds he probably can't even remember what they were."

Frank, they don't want you back, they want you to stay as far away as possible. If you read it any other way you are delusional.

Initial response on YBF to your typically stupid post above:

"Do'nt talk such utter shite. These things have killed people."

"Oh god I just stopped reading it in the end. It started badly, wandered off to cuckoo land and well.....
I wonder what the word for TOSH is in the states.
How can you call a boat with the bog in the middle of the saloon area a nice place to be for weeks on end, even animals do not crap in their sleeping and eating areas.
Who is this philosopher?"

And you didn't exactly make any converts by the end of the thread. You must get off on being called stupid and sick and full of shite.

[mighetto]

frankofile,

From the latest exchange on Sailing Anarchy:

"Posted: Jan 26 2005, 08:20 PM We all know Frank is a very sick man.
Someone could write a book about Trolls using him as a subject."
"Posted: Jan 26 2005, 09:15 PM He is so far off his meds he probably can't even remember what they were."
Frank, they don't want you back, they want you to stay as far away as possible. If you read it any other way you are delusional.

Lover, we live in the Internet Age. In this age, when you are truthful and willing to speak truth, you are assigned what are called Handlers. Several years ago, during the Microsoft anti-trust battles, it was confirmed that I had a handler. This was a person or persons whoes job it was to follow my posts and respond with charges of delusional. We recently saw handlers assigned to those who spoke out for or against the Bush presidency. In fact today there are companies you can hire to monitor BLOGs and when preaching the gosple acording to their masters doesn't work they will attach credibility, just as the credibility of Expert Witnesses are attached in a court case. I know this game well and know that exposing it builds credibilty. The MWW marketing group's Division 360 and groups such as it who tap WeB Logs to market or disparage products are real organizations that you can purchase into. The saying if you can not argue the facts argue credibility applies you your posts now. Stand Down for you have been identified as my prize.

Iitial response on YBF to your typically stupid post above:
"Do'nt talk such utter shite. These things have killed people."
"Oh god I just stopped reading it in the end. It started badly, wandered off to cuckoo land and well.....

I was invited to YBF, as I was invited to Sailing Anarchy. Active members of both have contacted me about posting further. The former Catalina Owner, and Yamaha Biker who started this thread, was not me. There is worldwide interest in the Mac26x cruisers as there should be. There is only worldwide hype on TP52s. On some forums polls are taken. Of course these are stacked but the polls taking on my posts always show a significant number who wish me to continue defending the ride.

I wonder what the word for TOSH is in the states.

Murrelet is my rides name. The ancient mariners of the Pacific Northwest called the marbled murrelet a kiss-me-arse because of the way these birds presented their TOSH when they were approached. The Kiss-me-arse syndicate is a fictitional group of anarchists who support me and my notions by keeping things light. The Frenchman on J Dock heads up the Kiss-Me-Arse Syndicate and thinks my sister's TOSH cute. T.O.S.H. Lets get the gag over with Lover. What are you getting to?

How can you call a boat with the bog in the middle of the saloon area a nice place to be for weeks on end, even animals do not crap in their sleeping and eating areas.

Many boats under 30 foot have heads under the sleeping area. The Mac26x, as the advanced Pacific Seacraft of about her size, have head compartments in the middle of the vessel, both to the starboard side. This compartment is large enough for it to have bulkheads and a door, just like a 40 foot monohull. It also is large enough for a shower. I have long wondered why no one has yet plumbed a shower to draw water from the ballast tank. That water could be fresh water rather than salt and replenished with salt water as used. You are correct about the importance of a shower in getting your lady to cruise with you. My wife knows every facility with a fresh water shower from Olympia to Port Hardy. She recently had a shower installed on Murrelet. On the head. Port-A-Pots are superior to other arangements. You will note that many a Captain is ripping out the head and installing Port-A-Potties because on a sailing craft it is the Captain that usually will be found unclogging the device.

Who is this philosopher?

I prefer social scientist or sailing scientist. My undergraduate degree is in Biology from the University of Santa Barbara, one of the founding schools of the Internet. As pointed out previosly, in science when a theory is proposed that can not be tested it is deamed either a philosophy or a religion. In computer science, Microsoft got really a lot wrong. But because of handlers, because of paided for content in magazines, and because of techniquies like portrayed in the film the Aviator, Microsoft dominates right now. This is an artificial state however. No one is recommending Microsoft Stock for purchase anymore. The true believers have drunk the Cool Aid. There just are to few religous Zelots to support the faith. Today no Visual Basic programmers are needed outside of those already supporting the legacy systems. Sailing in the US is the same way. The religion of Jim Teeters and from the Top Down at US Sailing, the religion of weighted fixed fin keels, the religion of the box rules is being replaced by sailing science.

And you didn't exactly make any converts by the end of the thread. You must get off on being called stupid and sick and full of shite.[/b]

When Marco Birch is quoted by Sailing World (page 52 - no 72 ) as follows

It (Talisman) may be the last buggy whip, but, yes, I feel it is the fastest boat right now under the (IMS) rule. You know that the Church of FOYD is gaining converts. The 58 foot Talisman and all the TP52 crews were obsoleted by IRC just like Visual Basic programmers were obsoleted by industry standards built around Java. Movable ballast is here to stay you just will have to adapt to stay relevant.

[skinny boy]

Once again you are full of lies. You are again talking of things you have no information or understanding.

Just so we are being specific.

1. S&P recommends a Strong Buy for Microsoft. So clearly someone is saying buy.

2. A theory in science that can not be tested is a THEORY not a philosophy or religion. The THEORY of Relativity can not be tested and yet it is not a religion or philosophy. The THEORY of evolution, since you have an apparently weak degree in biology, is still a theory because it can not be tested. It is not a philosophy or religion contrary to your beliefs but not the beliefs of any scientist.

3. IRC has no connection to IMS or the TP52. Box rules and measurement systems come and go and have for 200 years in the US alone. Handicap systems like IRC are for a different set of users and for a different purpose. The best way to tell this is because IMS was developed after IRC as was the TP52. Of course if you knew this then you would know what you are saying is a lie and if you didn't know then you are just an idiot.

You are a liar. Everything you say is full of pure falshood and what's worse you are an Internet bully. It seems to me you must have been tortured as a kid growing up or maybe you are a victim of spousal abuse now and that is the reason you try to bully people in some annonymous forum.