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Old 05-04-2008, 07:59 PM
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Hoyt Offset Squarehead Rig

This looks like it could have a lot of potential:
http://www.garryhoyt.com/id19.html
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:29 PM
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Hi Doug, we have already taken a quick look at that rig here:

Catboat across the Atlantic? (16')

My after thoughts sort got stuck on one simple question: Why would someone as professional as Hoyt start to promote this rig without having tested it properly in all conditions. Just struck me one night and whilst I like the theory and shots of the yacht sailing around a protected anchorage, I'll wait for him to post up a video of the same yacht in a force 6-7-8 before falling in love with it.

With innovation the emphasis is on the inventor to persuade a sceptical crowd surely.
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Old 05-05-2008, 07:28 PM
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Looks like the battens are bending around the mast on this tack, in a very gentle breeze. That can't be good for the camber/shape. How bad is it going to look at twice the windspeed?
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Old 05-05-2008, 09:30 PM
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Hi Doug, we have already taken a quick look at that rig here:

Catboat across the Atlantic? (16')

My after thoughts sort got stuck on one simple question: Why would someone as professional as Hoyt start to promote this rig without having tested it properly in all conditions. Just struck me one night and whilst I like the theory and shots of the yacht sailing around a protected anchorage, I'll wait for him to post up a video of the same yacht in a force 6-7-8 before falling in love with it.

With innovation the emphasis is on the inventor to persuade a sceptical crowd surely.
I hear ya.

He's going to need another spar at the top of the sail.

The first time he has to double reef, I expect him to discover that.

Once that's fixed, who knows?
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:08 AM
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Doug just likes it because it has the same silhouette as his aeroSKIFF. Squint looking at his pictures of the aeroSKIFF (you can find them in every thread on any site), and the chop top main and chop top jib along with the masthead gallows looks like this rig from the side.

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Old 05-06-2008, 02:59 PM
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Would it be inaccurate to describe the rig as a balanced lug displaced sideways from the mast by a couple of spacers?
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Old 05-06-2008, 04:10 PM
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Would it be inaccurate to describe the rig as a balanced lug displaced sideways from the mast by a couple of spacers?
Close, but not quite.

The yard fixed to the top of the mast makes it different.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:12 PM
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Doug just likes it because it has the same silhouette as his aeroSKIFF. Squint looking at his pictures of the aeroSKIFF (you can find them in every thread on any site), and the chop top main and chop top jib along with the masthead gallows looks like this rig from the side.

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I think Garrys rig has a lot of potential with a higher aspect ratio planform-look forward to seeing one...
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:32 AM
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Duplicate the sailcloth onto the other side of the mast and you almost have Ilan's sail.

http://boatdesign.net/forums/showthr...Soft+wing+sail
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Old 05-17-2008, 01:09 AM
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What's new with Hoyt's rig? The boom?

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Old 05-17-2008, 08:13 AM
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The offset boom and "gaff",I guess....
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Old 05-18-2008, 01:11 AM
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A nice shot from a 'dorna'. You may realize the simple rigging details. The top yard lift doubles as the only shroud.

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Old 05-23-2008, 04:28 PM
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Nice to see Hoyt has been so successful selling the concept....
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:38 PM
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Guillermo, those rigs are beautiful!

Hey, if it came down to it, I'd prefer any of those to the Hoyt, or "even" one of these (I've posted about them before):
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Old 05-26-2008, 10:32 AM
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Hello Guillermo,

Those Dorna rigs look very good ! Is this a spanish boat ? I thought to have seen such a boat sailing in Venice.

I think the main differences with the Hoyt rig are that you can (?) use his rig on both tacks and that the head of the sail cannot twist - the boom and gaff are fixed.

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