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Old 09-22-2011, 03:58 AM
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How do AC yachts handle their wing sail

I am curious how 600 sqm's of fixed wing sails are handled when the cat/trimarans are moored. Does anyone know ?
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:17 AM
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They are disassembled when not racing...
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Old 09-22-2011, 06:40 AM
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Actually, the AC teams employ wing sail experts to "live" on the boats at the dock, watching the wing full time and making sure it is feathered into the wind. One of Canada's C Class catamaran team worked as a wing watcher at the last AC. The boats are NOT disassembled in between race days.

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Old 09-22-2011, 09:26 AM
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Masalai is correct. The AC 45's take the rigs off the boat every night..... There is video of the process here on the AC site-you can find a link here: 34th America's Cup: multihulls!
I was talking about the last real America's Cup competition and Magnus Clarke worked for BMW Oracle as on-boat wing monitor betweens races. Although the new boats are labeled as AC 45's, they have not participated in an actual America's Cup contest.

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Old 09-22-2011, 10:47 AM
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There is some info on mooring one of those AC boats in SF, maybe past issue of sailing mag, that said they tethered boat in some way so it weather-vanned to wind, rudders and boards up, and left the wing up, in the water.

I know it sounds tricky and foolhardy, considering the cost of a carbon wing etc. but...

I do not know if it was for one night or all the time, but the piece was informative...I will check later.
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In Caiscais they were moored with wings up. They did fine.
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Old 09-22-2011, 12:33 PM
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mooring

I was mostly wrong and "once" and DGreenwood were mostly right:

Concerns about approaching storms led to the AC45 yachts being hauled out overnight rather than left on their moorings, as is typical for the wingsail cats. http://www.cupinfo.com/en/americas-c...cing-day-2.php under "Sunday Outlook"

There is video somewhere of the boats being hauled out but I mistakenly assumed that to be the case every night...
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Old 09-23-2011, 04:54 PM
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There is some info on mooring one of those AC boats in SF, maybe past issue of sailing mag, that said they tethered boat in some way so it weather-vanned to wind, rudders and boards up, and left the wing up, in the water.

I know it sounds tricky and foolhardy, considering the cost of a carbon wing etc. but...

I do not know if it was for one night or all the time, but the piece was informative...I will check later.
They did moor the AC45s in Auckland and Cascais. I don't recall seeing them being moored in Plymouth in the TV coverage I watched.

In Auckland, Paul Bieker came up with a neat mooring buoy. It consisted of an inflatable tetrahedral mark, filled with fresh water. This would float with the apex above the water. The boats were moored with the king post close to the buoy, so they couldn't sail around at the buoy as they were restrained by the mass of the fresh water. But because the buoy was floating, it would react slowly to wind and tide like a normal mooring buoy. The rudders on the AC45 can also be removed or turned 90 deg so they don't inhibit the boat from swinging at the mooring.

The dollies the boats sit on while ashore (also designed by Paul Bieker) can also allow the boats to be "moored" on land. The wheels can caster and be pinned in position. If the forward wheels are pinned facing forward and the rear wheels are pinned at near-90 deg (such that their axles point at the midpoint between the two forward dollies), the boat will pivot freely about the virtual center of the axles - just like it's on a mooring. I don't think they have actually exercised this with the AC45s, but it is standard practice for rigid winged landyachts. No other restraint is needed - the boats don't have to be tied down because the athwartship orientation of the rear wheels keeps the yacht from sliding backwards. Many times I've seen tracks in the dirt from landyacht dollies that show they've rotated through 360 deg during the night, and I've never heard of one capsizing or having a problem when so moored.

The other piece of kit that makes a big difference in handling the wings is the ballast box that is attached to the leading edge when the wings are stepped or struck. This box is filled with ~80 kg of water. It moves the c.g. of the wing forward so it has less tendency to flutter as it is hanging from the crane. Once the wing has been stepped on the yacht, the water is drained and the box removed.

The methods for handling the larger wings of the AC72s are still being designed.
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