A different MacGregor ( hopefully)

[mighetto]

Originally Posted by barleymalt

Frank

Not to piss in your wheaties, but 9.5 knots average off the breeze is not very impressive for a ULDB in those conditions. Given those conditions, any of the boats you mention would have been much faster. And the most successfull ULDB for that size is without question the Santa Cruz 70, not the Mac 65. There were 19 of them made. I sail on one regularly, and against nine others. Have you ever set foot on one? A used SC70, if you can find one one of the 19 originally built for sale, will cost you approximately 350K. Cost is an indicator of the relative value, construction materials and technique, and condition of a boat and its equipment, not of any inefficiency. The fact that this Mac 65 is for sale for $159K, while a used SC70 of the same vintage would cost more than double that should give you a pretty good indication of the relative value of the two boats. If you really believe the difference is due to the relative inefficiency of Bill Lee's operation, then you are indeed a drooling idiot just screaming for a white nylon wrap around sportcoat and your own personal padded stateroom.

Nothing better than wheaties and warm piss. Serve me up. The SC70s are top notch in my book. Better than TP52s no doubt. Racability is a determinant of resale value. The SC70s are very racably - especially on the great lakes and this explains their price as much as anything. We have one here in Puget Sound. Perhaps they will let me board at the next Swiftsure. Coruba, is not an SC70. Still wondering how they could let Trader cheat her crew out of third in the TransPac. As I mentioned, Roger MacGregor's daughter has one of the SC70s, and I have long proposed that you are better off purchasing an SC70 used than a TP52 new. The crew of Neptune's Car, an SC70, are very Mac26x friendly. They always make a point of coming over to visit Murrelet, my Mac26x, when we are out practicing on Elliot bay and seem friendly. I have never gotten the feeling that that crew has anything but respect for those of us learning water ballast techiques. We all cried when the Barn was torn down. How do things like that happen?

Frank L. Mighetto

[marshmat]

Just wondering, why exactly are we comparing a 26-foot trailer cruiser with 52- and 70-foot ocean racers? Forget apples and oranges, I get the impression we're comparing apples with ribeye steaks here!

[the_sphincter]

You are better off purchasing any boat used than a boat new in financial sense.
one of the areas that you bash the TP52 on is crew. How many crew does it take to race a SC70?

[Shife]

Originally Posted by the_sphincter

You are better off purchasing any boat used than a boat new in financial sense.
one of the areas that you bash the TP52 on is crew. How many crew does it take to race a SC70?

How many crew? Oh, two or three...


Time to lock the lunatic back in his cage before he destroys the rest of this forum, just as he's done to so many others. I wonder how much it would cost to get Roger MacGregor to say the sky is yellow. Because you know, if a MacGregor says it, it must be true.

[Shife]

Another pic courtesy of the GL 70 association web page:

[Shife]

Oh yeah, I definitely see the resemblance: