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Old 11-29-2011, 07:04 AM
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Hannu has some interesting ideas and small boat designs but as far as I know he doesn't have anything intended for sailing. For sailing you would need a mast step, rudder, a daggerboard and trunk or a leeboard, and some stiffening in the hull to withstand sailing forces. Hannu's boats are somewhat basic and I would prefer to see some built-in buoyancy for safety. Couple more sites here:
http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/freedes.htm
http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:11 AM
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Hannu has some interesting ideas and small boat designs but as far as I know he doesn't have anything intended for sailing. For sailing you would need a mast step, rudder, a daggerboard and trunk or a leeboard, and some stiffening in the hull to withstand sailing forces. Hannu's boats are somewhat basic and I would prefer to see some built-in buoyancy for safety. Couple more sites here:
http://home.clara.net/gmatkin/freedes.htm
http://www.jwboatdesigns.co.nz/
unless i missed it, the OP didn't say anything about sailing. those are also good reccomendations though
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:09 AM
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unless i missed it, the OP didn't say anything about sailing . . .
- true but all the designs referenced are sailboats!
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:17 PM
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I've sailed a Petrel as a kid. It was a well balanced boat, without any real vices. Of course it wouldn't offer the preformance I'd expect from a modern craft of similar dimension, but not a bad choice for a first boat. This said, not the best choice for a first build, mostly because the plans need some conversion for modern techniques and materials. If going to this trouble, you might as well just select a set of plans that already have this incorporated into them.
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:33 PM
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- true but all the designs referenced are sailboats!
your internet-fu surpasses mine.
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Old 11-29-2011, 05:54 PM
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your internet-fu surpasses mine.
- I cheated; I looked! God bless the Internet, our very own virtual substitute for experience and knowledge of all kinds . . .
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:00 PM
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I always liked the Petrel. It seems like it would be a well behaved boat.
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:30 PM
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I was once an impecunious college student so I can feel your pain. In those days, long ago, I was more interested in fast motorcycles and fast women, but I could afford neither.

In order to get you going I will send you the plans for a Penguin class boat. I do not recommend that course of action but as I say, I feel your pain.

I do recommend that you bite the bullet (a low calibre bullet) and dial up Payson boats. Pay for the plan sets that you choose. They are cheap and practical. There are two of them that can get you afloat while staying within your budget. The two are; "Cartopper" for a minimal boat and "Gypsy" for a bigger boat. You can google either of those to find the appraisals of past builders. They may not be the ultimate boats but they are more than competant and cheap and easy to build. Building time is very quick for either of these. Sails for both are very modestly priced from Payson.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:32 PM
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I was once an impecunious college student so I can feel your pain. In those days, long ago, I was more interested in fast motorcycles and fast women, but I could afford neither.

In order to get you going I will send you the plans for a Penguin class boat. I do not recommend that course of action but as I say, I feel your pain.

I do recommend that you bite the bullet (a low calibre bullet) and dial up Payson boats. Pay for the plan sets that you choose. They are cheap and practical. There are two of them that can get you afloat while staying within your budget. The two are; "Cartopper" for a minimal boat and "Gypsy" for a bigger boat. You can google either of those to find the appraisals of past builders. They may not be the ultimate boats but they are more than competant and cheap and easy to build. Building time is very quick for either of these. Sails for both are very modestly priced from Payson.
I was saddened to read that Dynamite Payson died last spring, and shocked to realize that he was 82 years old. Makes me realize I'm not as young as I used to be, either.

Is his business continuing without him?
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Old 11-30-2011, 02:57 AM
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The mast & sails represent a large item of expenditure and Polytarp is a reasonable option. I would favour a lateen rig, but that is just me. On Gran Canaria, they've taken the rig to extraordinary heights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TtcZjAuF4A
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Old 11-30-2011, 03:43 AM
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My understanding is that Dennis Hansen, a long time friend and associate has taken over the operational aspects and Dynamite's son Neil will also be in the mix, possably in an administrative fashion. If interested in HH Payson plans, you'll still receive the top notch customer service Dynamite was famous for.
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