Classic Plastic

[SAQuestor]

As a sort of addendum to the Pocket Cruiser thread I’d like to have a discussion about classic plastic boats.

Let’s set our limiting definitions:

1. Affordable – average asking price less than US$60,000.
2. Length – over 28’ (8.5m) to less than 42’ (12.8m)
3. Acceptable to good upwind sailing performance.
4. Circumnavigation capable.
5. Singlehanded capable.
6. Cutter or ketch rig preferred.
7. None or few known intrinsic maintenance issues, i.e., blisters, deck leaks, rotting chain plates, etc., etc.

Please notice that I deliberately have not been specific in many areas. But I think that the average asking price will be the major culling factor.

Perhaps this is too low, but my logic is this: US$100,000 total budget for boat and upgrades – sails, rigging, engine, tanks, batteries and other “stuff”. The working theory is that a $60k boat would be in better condition and need less upgrading than a $30k boat.

Obviously there are potential issues with this working theory, but one can winnow lots of chaff to get at a few kernels of grain – i.e., those boats that are worth investing time and $$ into to get a safe passagemaker and at least have the potential to get back some (hopefully substantial) portion of the $$ invested, recognizing that upgrades are for reliability, safety and comfort, not resale value.

So… Which classic plastic boats would you want to sail away on? Let’s share some thoughts and develop a list of suitable candidates.

Best,

Leo

[jehardiman]

Originally Posted by SAQuestor

6. Cutter or ketch rig preferred.

Thats the killer, not the price. Otherwise 2 come immeidaetly to mind...

Ranger 33



Or Cal 40

[SAQuestor]

Originally Posted by SAQuestor

6. Cutter or ketch rig preferred.

I've emphasized the operative word in that statement.

Doesn't mean that the boat's gotta be a ketch or cutter, just that's my personal preference. YMMV.

BTW, I'm not familiar with the Ranger - designed for blue water work?

[naval ark]

No doubt about it... Bristol Channel Cutter!!

Only 28ft Length on Deck, but has the comfort of a much larger yacht. Beautiful, classic design

[jehardiman]

Originally Posted by SAQuestor

BTW, I'm not familiar with the Ranger - designed for blue water work?

Try here: http://www.latitude38.com/features/bomRanger33.htm

I owned a Ranger 26 and would have moved up to a 33 (or 37) in a heartbeat. All of those boats (the Rangers and Cal) came off the boards of good designers before IOR/sled days. They are all capable of offshore work (though the 26 is a bit small for long voyages more than solo) and work decently to weather in the rough as well as being well behaved off the wind.

You could add the Santana 37/39 to that list also.


Hummmm...two Mulls' and a Lapworth....is there a trend here.

[mattotoole]

Originally Posted by naval ark

No doubt about it... Bristol Channel Cutter!!

Only 28ft Length on Deck, but has the comfort of a much larger yacht. Beautiful, classic design

Yes, but for $60-100k? Forget it!

How about a Cal 39 Mk II? I crewed on one of these, and it seemed like a boat that could go anywhere.

Many production sailboats may not be sturdy enough for rough offshore passages. They also tend to come up short on storage and tankage.

The Willard 8 Ton is a sturdy boat for a good price, with lots of storage and tankage. Its big iron genoa could make up for any lack of upwind sailing performance.

This Endeavour 32 looks like a good boat too.

[captphil]

There are any number of cca type boats out there that would make great bluewater cruisers. My experience has been that the main difference between a $30,000 boat and a $1,000 boat is $29,000. Phil

[PAR]

Very astute observation Phil, if on a 5 year old thread, anything else, maybe not quite so obvious? . . . welcome aboard

[souljour2000]

Good thread that needed revival so thanks Cap'n Phil...maybe the peanut gallery can give life to this thread's re-incarnation...should include boats 24-feet and bigger though...

[captphil]

Thanks for the kind words. I have prepped 3 boats to go to sea. A Nicholson 32, A Northern 25, and a Pearson Triton. The first 2 were basically sound boats that needed just a little work, each surveyed out well. The Triton was purchased for $400 as a derelect. In terms of labor and after purchase expense all 3 worked out about the same. Before heading for the bluewater the captain must be absolutly sure of every system aboard, and that means personaly checking everything. Thru hulls, hoses, clamps, rigging, sails, wiring, electronics, on and on. The Northern 25 is a fine little boat often overlooked. Carefully designed and constructed, a tribute to her Canadian builders. The Chesapeake has loads of old negleglected sailboats just waiting for an enterprising owner. Phil

[bntii]

My Rhodes Bounty II must qualify as well as the Pearson Invicta and the Alberg 37 though none of these are cutters or ketches.

Increase your budget and put the Shannon 38 cutter ketch in the running perhaps.